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Purported Intel Core i7-14700K Benchmarks up to 20% Faster in Multi-Threaded Workloads

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Core i7-14700K Benchmarks up to 20% Faster in Multi-Threaded Workloads

[Sir Beregond]

Bought a cheap 13100 to play with for now, just going to wait for the 14900k at this stage for my Z790 Dark.

[Avacado]

7 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Bought a cheap 13100 to play with for now, just going to wait for the 14900k at this stage for my Z790 Dark.

I hate that they made the refresh have 14XXX nomenclature. 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

I hate that they made the refresh have 14XXX nomenclature. 

Yeah kinda odd. When they refreshed Haswell the 4770k just got replaced by the 4790k. 

 

Maybe they are expecting a generational uplift here, but does seem weird.

[Fluxmaven]

I feel like for a refresh that's likely just sprinkling in a few extra cores here, or a 100Mhz there, it wouldn't justify a name change... Just call it the 13750K, 13950K etc.

 

I'm willing to be blown away though... If the 14600K is a total beast without adding a bunch of power draw, I might pick one up for my z790 setup. 

 

Although if I did that, I'd end up giving my little sister the delidded 12600K. 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Fluxmaven said:

I feel like for a refresh that's likely just sprinkling in a few extra cores here, or a 100Mhz there, it wouldn't justify a name change... Just call it the 13750K, 13950K etc.

 

I'm willing to be blown away though... If the 14600K is a total beast without adding a bunch of power draw, I might pick one up for my z790 setup. 

 

Although if I did that, I'd end up giving my little sister the delidded 12600K. 

Yeah it didn't sound like much of a MHz boost, so there must be some IPC gain somewhere, but I hope that wasn't just adding a ton more power draw.

Edited July 10, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[Fluxmaven]

30 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yeah it didn't sound like much of a MHz boost, so there must be some IPC gain somewhere, but I hope that wasn't just adding a ton more power draw.

 

The 13700k and  14700k are the same base clock and the single thread scores in that leak are very similar. I just meant they will probably sprinkle 100Mhz on the higher SKUs and act like it's amazing.

 

Also, I would never hold my breath on Intel actually working on IPC gains instead of just giving it more juice to feed the extra cores. 

 

 

Edited July 10, 2023 by Fluxmaven

[UltraMega]

When Intel had that generation or two where they still weren't being pressured a lot by AMD and they started looking for ways to nickel and dime their customers and locked down the ram speeds so you had to pay for a more expensive chipset just to use standard 3200mhz ram when that was never the case on any generation before it, I stopped wanting to buy any Intel products. AMD started being more competitive not too long after that. I have not bought an Intel CPU since Ryzen 3000 came out for myself or any PC's that I have built. Intel definitely pushed me into the "vote with your wallet" mentality with their ram speed BS. 

/Rant

 

That said, I love seeing the CPU market be competitive again. For a long time AMD left the door so wide open, now it feels more like Intel has to try to keep up with AMD, and they're not doing a bad job. 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Fluxmaven said:

 

The 13700k and  14700k are the same base clock and the single thread scores in that leak are very similar. I just meant they will probably sprinkle 100Mhz on the higher SKUs and act like it's amazing.

 

Also, I would never hold my breath on Intel actually working on IPC gains instead of just giving it more juice to feed the extra cores. 

 

 

Makes sense.

1 hour ago, UltraMega said:

When Intel had that generation or two where they still weren't being pressured a lot by AMD and they started looking for ways to nickel and dime their customers and locked down the ram speeds so you had to pay for a more expensive chipset just to use standard 3200mhz ram when that was never the case on any generation before it, I stopped wanting to buy any Intel products. AMD started being more competitive not too long after that. I have not bought an Intel CPU since Ryzen 3000 came out for myself or any PC's that I have built. Intel definitely pushed me into the "vote with your wallet" mentality with their ram speed BS. 

/Rant

 

That said, I love seeing the CPU market be competitive again. For a long time AMD left the door so wide open, now it feels more like Intel has to try to keep up with AMD, and they're not doing a bad job. 

I totally get it and its hard to disagree. I think Ryzen has for the most part provided everything anyone could need. I think Zen 3 really pushed them to that spot. I wasn't quite sold yet on Zen 2. I don't care much for the launch MSRP's for some SKUs starting with Zen 3, but they quickly course correct I notice.

 

About my only beef with AMD is that overclocking on Ryzen systems is boring which is why my test bench that is in progress, I decided to go back to an Intel based platform. For someone getting back into the fun of overclocking, I didn't feel like Ryzen was scratching that itch. About all that's to be gained there is from RAM timing tweaks. Not much you can do frequency wise due to the Infinity Fabric. PBO for the most part manages everything else so there's not much else to do there unless you start playing with curve optimizer and that's a PITA.

 

All to say, Ryzen is perfect for getting pretty much a plug and play experience. I still feel Intel is where you go if you are wanted to get into overclocking and pushing the limits.

 

But for my daily, happy to stay on my 5900X. Sips power by comparison and runs me just fine. Until I built my Zen 3 system, wasn't really seeing much point upgrading my 4790k because the Intel gen on gen gains were so minimal.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[UltraMega]

3 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Makes sense.

I totally get it and its hard to disagree. I think Ryzen has for the most part provided everything anyone could need. I think Zen 3 really pushed them to that spot. I wasn't quite sold yet on Zen 2. I don't care much for the launch MSRP's for some SKUs starting with Zen 3, but they quickly course correct I notice.

 

About my only beef with AMD is that overclocking on Ryzen systems is boring which is why my test bench that is in progress, I decided to go back to an Intel based platform. For someone getting back into the fun of overclocking, I didn't feel like Ryzen was scratching that itch. About that's all to be gained there is from RAM timing tweaks. PBO for the most part manages everything else so there's not much else to do there unless you start playing with curve optimizer and that's a PITA.

 

But for my daily, happy to stay on my 5900X. Sips power by comparison and runs me just fine.

Yea that is a good point about overclocking, there is still more to gain with Intel there, but overlocking in general is a lot less exciting than it used to be for Intel and AMD since they have both learned to just take advantage of the headroom on their own more and more effectively over the years. Never gonna be like it used to be with CPUs like a Q6600 or a 2600K where you could get stupidly massive gains just from having a pretty decent motherboard and tweaking a few settings. Those were fun times. 

 

What kind of OC do you get on your Intel CPU these days? 4-500mhz? Does that offer much over Turbo? Last Intel CPU I had was a 7700K and it was a fairly average chip. At stock it would turbo up to like 4.9ghz, I only ever got it up to ~5.1ghz with the OC and the gains were totally insignificant. I feel like that CPU was already maxing out pretty hard out of the box, and my impression is that's how all Intel CPUs are now. 

[Kaz]

If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was done as a direct response to the 6900x and 6900X3D.  28 Threads is kind of an odd, but I guess it doesn't take a lot to beat out 24 threads...

[Sir Beregond]

15 hours ago, UltraMega said:

Yea that is a good point about overclocking, there is still more to gain with Intel there, but overlocking in general is a lot less exciting than it used to be for Intel and AMD since they have both learned to just take advantage of the headroom on their own more and more effectively over the years. Never gonna be like it used to be with CPUs like a Q6600 or a 2600K where you could get stupidly massive gains just from having a pretty decent motherboard and tweaking a few settings. Those were fun times. 

 

What kind of OC do you get on your Intel CPU these days? 4-500mhz? Does that offer much over Turbo? Last Intel CPU I had was a 7700K and it was a fairly average chip. At stock it would turbo up to like 4.9ghz, I only ever got it up to ~5.1ghz with the OC and the gains were totally insignificant. I feel like that CPU was already maxing out pretty hard out of the box, and my impression is that's how all Intel CPUs are now. 

I don't have it setup yet as I am still acquiring parts so I can't say for sure.

 

I'd imagine you're not wrong about out of the box. I guess I've just seen a lot more opportunity for places you can tweak whether all core, or with RAM in a more traditional sense vs say messing with PBO and CO on AMD and RAM overclocking being completely limited by the Infinity Fabric clock. I heard they decoupled that in Zen 4, but sounds like there is still a sweet spot for Zen 4 and not much point of anything faster. 

 

Not to say that's a bad thing, again for just getting a system up for the average person. More I just want to push to the limit and see what I can do. I really want to do more HWBot stuff. I mean you can do HWBot with anything new or old. I just want to get a good test bench to do some modern stuff on.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

1 hour ago, Sir Beregond said:

I don't have it setup yet as I am still acquiring parts so I can't say for sure.

 

I'd imagine you're not wrong about out of the box. I guess I've just seen a lot more opportunity for places you can tweak whether all core, or with RAM in a more traditional sense vs say messing with PBO and CO on AMD and RAM overclocking being completely limited by the Infinity Fabric clock. I heard they decoupled that in Zen 4, but sounds like there is still a sweet spot for Zen 4 and not much point of anything faster. 

 

Not to say that's a bad thing, again for just getting a system up for the average person. More I just want to push to the limit and see what I can do. I really want to do more HWBot stuff. I mean you can do HWBot with anything new or old. I just want to get a good test bench to do some modern stuff on.

 

You are correct about Ryzen being mostly about RAM overclocking and then just turn PBO on and you're good. It's the same with Zen 4. You are also correct that there's a sweet spot for memory; it's about 6000MHz. If you're lucky you can do 6200MHz (like me) or if you're very lucky, 6400MHz but anything past that is limited by not the Infinity Fabric, but the Memclk (it runs at half the RAM speed) which doesn't like to do much more than 6000/3000Memclk stably.

[Sir Beregond]

34 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

You are correct about Ryzen being mostly about RAM overclocking and then just turn PBO on and you're good. It's the same with Zen 4. You are also correct that there's a sweet spot for memory; it's about 6000MHz. If you're lucky you can do 6200MHz (like me) or if you're very lucky, 6400MHz but anything past that is limited by not the Infinity Fabric, but the Memclk (it runs at half the RAM speed) which doesn't like to do much more than 6000/3000Memclk stably.

OK gotcha. Knew it was something like that for Zen 4.

[Hurricane28]

Hi guys, 

 

I just upgraded to Intel 14700k. Coming From Ryzen 7700x. 

 

Couldn't be more happy and there are lot more need settings to tinker with.