Firestrike & Timespy Benchmarking Megathread

[Bastiaan_NL]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I hadn't done any benching for a while. Figured I probably should scratch that itch.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187310 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209265

Stealing my gold....
Great work though, the 29 threads tweak helped a lot!!

Also, thanks for the Eso software. That'll make my life easy (combined with Appbuster and cleaning most garbage from the OS myself)

Now most of us don't have a dedicated benchmark system/os (or multiple) so this is not for everyone, but I run my bench system without internet connection anyways and have about everything deleted/turned off. 
As for my main, let's say that @J7SC_Orion's taskmanager looks clean compared to this one

Edited January 30, 2023 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Stealing my gold....
Great work though, the 29 threads tweak helped a lot!!

Also, thanks for the Eso software. That'll make my life easy (combined with Appbuster and cleaning most garbage from the OS myself)

Now most of us don't have a dedicated benchmark system/os (or multiple) so this is not for everyone, but I run my bench system without internet connection anyways and have about everything deleted/turned off. 
As for my main, let's say that @J7SC_Orion's taskmanager looks clean compared to this one

 

Alternatively...

 

  

 

@Mr. Fox Thanks very much for sharing the MS Defender_kill script earlier. I take it that it works both on Win 10 Pro and Win 11 Pro ?

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Alternatively...

 

  

 

@Mr. Fox Thanks very much for sharing the MS Defender_kill script earlier. I take it that it works both on Win 10 Pro and Win 11 Pro ?

You're welcome. Yes, it does. I use it on all versions of Windows 10 and 11 (Pro, Enterprise and LTSC) with success.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Now most of us don't have a dedicated benchmark system/os (or multiple) so this is not for everyone, but I run my bench system without internet connection anyways and have about everything deleted/turned off.

Everything I own is multi-boot with each OS having its own NVMe drive. I find it easier to do that than dealing with the consequences of allowing a payload of garbage.

 

My work desktop boots W7, W10 LTSC 2021, W11 Enterprise and KDE Linux. My benching rig boots W7, W10 LTSC 2019, W10 LTSC 2021, W11 Pro and KDE Linux. My laptop that spends most of its life as a dust collector boots W10 LTSC 2019, W11 Pro and Zorin OS (Linux). Each machine has one crash dummy OS that allows Micro$lop to molest it with cancer updates and other filth and the others are kept free of cancer updates and optimized for maximum performance and functionality. I generally do not view anything that needs to be downloaded from the Micro$lop Store as being a contributor to functionality. I automatically regard it as rubbish until I see evidence to the contrary, so having the Store on W10/W11 is essentially irrelevant. Not having the Store helps keep things clean and bloat-free.

 

Ideally, I'd only boot one OS that is Linux, but there is enough missing in terms of software that I need or want to use that is not available on Linux that I haven't found a good way to make it my only OS. I'd have to replace my benching hobby with something else, but gaming on Linux is on par with Windows. Most of the "Windows-only" titles I have tested work great on Linux using Proton.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[acoustic]

Thanks a lot for all the recommendations. Just downloaded that Panda AV (since I just ran that Defender kill-script), and it seems pretty decent for free. I'm not really worried much about AV since using two brain-cells will typically keep you pretty safe, but can't be worse than Windows Defender.

 

I'm trying to find a way to make AquaSuite services stop running on start-up without uninstalling the app. It's really annoying as I don't need it running outside of when I'm trying to mess with the High Flow NEXT, which is typically never; it's been a "set it and forget it" kind of device for me since I've owned it.

 

The Chris Titus scrips are pretty legit. Lots of good info in two posts. I've been looking for some tweaks for Win11 but generally just ran a normal (bloated, I guess) install. I will say that Win11 performed better for me when it first came out than Win10 did. I haven't compared how bloated Win11 has become with all the updates.. probably isn't as clean anymore.

 

Edit: Huh.. Either the Chris Titus tool or the Defender deletion (which didn't seem to work, even after running as Admin; I can still see the Antimalware Executable task running) created group policy settings and now I can't use system restore to undo the changes. one of them also, for some reason, enabled remote access.. something I had disabled prior to any of these tools.

 

Fresh install it is lol

Edited January 31, 2023 by acoustic

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, acoustic said:

Thanks a lot for all the recommendations. Just downloaded that Panda AV (since I just ran that Defender kill-script), and it seems pretty decent for free. I'm not really worried much about AV since using two brain-cells will typically keep you pretty safe, but can't be worse than Windows Defender.

 

I'm trying to find a way to make AquaSuite services stop running on start-up without uninstalling the app. It's really annoying as I don't need it running outside of when I'm trying to mess with the High Flow NEXT, which is typically never; it's been a "set it and forget it" kind of device for me since I've owned it.

 

The Chris Titus scrips are pretty legit. Lots of good info in two posts. I've been looking for some tweaks for Win11 but generally just ran a normal (bloated, I guess) install. I will say that Win11 performed better for me when it first came out than Win10 did. I haven't compared how bloated Win11 has become with all the updates.. probably isn't as clean anymore.

 

Edit: Huh.. Either the Chris Titus tool or the Defender deletion (which didn't seem to work, even after running as Admin; I can still see the Antimalware Executable task running) created group policy settings and now I can't use system restore to undo the changes. one of them also, for some reason, enabled remote access.. something I had disabled prior to any of these tools.

 

Fresh install it is lol

I think something with O&O Shutup disables System Restore. I always have to manually re-enable it after running the CTT script. The antimalware executable I believe is separate from Defender. It is either SmartScreen (which I disable) or the Malicious Software Removal tool. If you run the Defender removal script and reboot you should see a good drop in services and system resources.

 

I went for almost a decade with no antivirus and still do not rely on it. I view it as mostly unnecessary. I had used ESET for years and think it is good, but I like the free version of Panda the best. Most of the time I have it disabled.

 

You should be able to use Autoruns to disable AquaSuite or anything else that runs at startup. It may also show up in MSCONFIG if it runs as a Service.

[acoustic]

Just did a fresh install. The Remote Access setting being checked now gave me a weird feeling. I’m going to just do the Defender disable, I think. It also broke MS Edge on me (hey, I like the integration between my phone, pc, tablet!) in that it didn’t remember old websites anymore.

 

I think I’ll just be a bit more picky about what gets disabled with CTT on this install. It’s so quick to do a reinstall anyway, it doesn’t really bother me. Have all my games on a different drive so it’s as simple as moving over any documents I want saved, and then hit that delete partition key.. lol

[Mr. Fox]

I have a water block that should be arriving on Thursday. Will be fun to see how much further I can push it with chilled water.

MSI Suprim Liquid X cooling isn't that much better than air cooling.

 

 

 

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Edited February 14, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[The Pook]

what in tarnation 

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, The Pook said:

what in tarnation 

 

Yup, too many cores/threads seems to confuse Firestrike and 3DMark 11. It also helps to enable the legacy CPU option in the BIOS and use the Scroll Lock key to totally disable the e-cores in Firestrike Test 1. For some reason, Test 1 runs way faster with only 8 cores. Hit Scroll Lock again between Test 1 and 2 to re-engage the e-cores. I believe Test 1 favors CPU core clock speed over core count more than Test 2.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[schuck6566]

23 minutes ago, The Pook said:

what in tarnation 

 

Edit: Deleted my post cause I hadn't a clue.

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by schuck6566

[The Pook]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup, too many cores/threads seems to confuse Firestrike and 3DMark 11. It also helps to enable the legacy option in the BIOS and use the Scroll Lock key to totally disable the e-cores in Firestrike Test 1. For some reason, Test 1 runs way faster with only 8 cores. Hit Scroll Lock again between Test 1 and 2 to re-engage the e-cores. I believe Test 1 favors CPU core clock speed over core cound more than Test 2.

 

can you disable HT per core on 12/13th gen like 10/11th? based on zero evidence I'd assume 1 E-Core > 1 HT P-thread

[Mr. Fox]

Yes, you can disable HT in the BIOS on the P-cores, but that leaves a lot of horsepower on the table and lowers your average overall CPU core clock speed due to having half as many threads whose clock speeds factor into the CPU average clock. With all cores enabled and HT enabled on the P-cores the 13900K is 32 threads (24 threads with HT disabled). The E-cores are actually Atom cores and they do not support it. They are also inferior and won't overclock as high as the P-cores. They even have their own SP-rating on a ROG mobo. I wish they were all P-cores. That would be better.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[The Pook]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, you can disable HT in the BIOS on the P-cores, but that leaves a lot of horsepower on the table. With all cores enabled and HT enabled on the P-cores the 13900K is 32 threads (24 threads with HT disabled). The E-cores are actually Atom cores and they do not support it. I wish they were all P-cores. That would be better.

 

not what I meant, I meant are you able to disable HT on a single core like on 10th/11th.  if I wanted a HT on 9 cores and not on my 10th I could run 19 threads on my 10900K. 

 

E-Cores have IPC on par closer to a 7700K than an Atom (der8auer did a test on a 12900K a while back) so I'd assume a gigachad E-Core > HT thread on a P-Core. 

 

edit: aka, disable HT on 3 of the P-Cores and keep 16 E-Cores, maybe better than 8x2 + 13? 

Edited February 14, 2023 by The Pook

[Bastiaan_NL]

35 minutes ago, The Pook said:

 

not what I meant, I meant are you able to disable HT on a single core like on 10th/11th.  if I wanted a HT on 9 cores and not on my 10th I could run 19 threads on my 10900K. 

 

E-Cores have IPC on par closer to a 7700K than an Atom (der8auer did a test on a 12900K a while back) so I'd assume a gigachad E-Core > HT thread on a P-Core. 

 

edit: aka, disable HT on 3 of the P-Cores and keep 16 E-Cores, maybe better than 8x2 + 13? 

That's an interesting idea, but I'm afraid it hurts the Physics test more than it'll benefit the Combined test.
I'm pretty sure there is a thing called HT per core but I need to check the bios for that. 

[Bastiaan_NL]

So I did some testing.
[Edit] I was having some problems with getting the overclock to work properly, so don't look too closely at the Physics score. Limited on time, so will probably figure that out later.

5 P-cores with HT and 3 without plus 16 E-cores = 29 threads:

 

8 P-cores with HT plus 16 E-cores = 29 threads:

 

8 P-cores with HT plus  16 E-cores + no E-cores in GT1 and a little bump in GPU clocks (third place in hardware class):

Edited February 14, 2023 by Bastiaan_NL

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, The Pook said:

 

not what I meant, I meant are you able to disable HT on a single core like on 10th/11th.  if I wanted a HT on 9 cores and not on my 10th I could run 19 threads on my 10900K. 

 

E-Cores have IPC on par closer to a 7700K than an Atom (der8auer did a test on a 12900K a while back) so I'd assume a gigachad E-Core > HT thread on a P-Core. 

 

edit: aka, disable HT on 3 of the P-Cores and keep 16 E-Cores, maybe better than 8x2 + 13? 

Yes, I believe you can. I've never tried it but I think the BIOS has that option. I will have to compare the scenario you mentioned.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

5 P-cores with HT and 3 without plus 16 E-cores = 29 threads:

I just tested it this way and it totally tanked my Firestrike score. Much better with HT on all P-cores and 3 E-cores disabled.

  

7 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

8 P-cores with HT plus  16 E-cores + no E-cores in GT1

This method produces the best results for me. Hitting Scroll Lock makes it easy in GT1.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

 

MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike score: 70981 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090

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MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike Extreme score: 47480 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090

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Edited February 15, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Bastiaan_NL]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike score: 70981 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090

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MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike Extreme score: 47480 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090

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That's a huge difference!

[J7SC_Orion]

4 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

That's a huge difference!

 

...just goes to show you how badly optimized some 3DM code actually is  

[Bastiaan_NL]

Yeah, when you are able to beat a lot of LN2 results just with a few tweaks here and there..
I'm not complaining though, worth a lot of points and I bet many of those guys don't have the hardware anymore

[Mr. Fox]

Having to enable ECC really sucks, too. It degrades performance, but now it is required by HWBOT.

 

The temperatures are what allowed me to clock higher on the GPU core. I used the portable AC unit that I used to use for overclocked laptop cooling and used it to flood the case with extremely cold air and that allowed much higher boosting without lockups and crashing due to lack of adequate voltage. I really hate that about modern GPUs. It makes overclocked benching a lot less fun than it use to be when we had voltage control.

 

It will be better when I get the block installed and have chilled water running through it.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

Well the 4090 Suprim stopped working yesterday. It's going back to Amazon for a refund. They don't have any stock available for exchange. I was working yesterday (using my work PC) and had it running with Outlook open so I could check my personal email throughout the day (my normal routine). I looked over and the screen was black as if I had the power profile set wrong to let the screen go dark. I normally disable that. I jiggled the mouse and tapped some keys on the keyboard and nothing. So, powered it back on and the motherboard starts beeping with D6 Q-code (no display device detected).  With the 3060 Ti installed in the primary slot and the 4090 in the second PCIe 16x slot, no 4090 detected. I stuck it into my work computer and same thing.

[Avacado]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well the 4090 Suprim stopped working yesterday. It's going back to Amazon for a refund. They don't have any stock available for exchange. I was working yesterday (using my work PC) and had it running with Outlook open so I could check my personal email throughout the day (my normal routine). I looked over and the screen was black as if I had the power profile set wrong to let the screen go dark. I normally disable that. I jiggled the mouse and tapped some keys on the keyboard and nothing. So, powered it back on and the motherboard starts beeping with D6 Q-code (no display device detected).  With the 3060 Ti installed in the primary slot and the 4090 in the second PCIe 16x slot, no 4090 detected. I stuck it into my work computer and same thing.

Time to bust out ye ole EHW toe tag.