Dedicated PLEX media server - Need Plex Gurus

[Laithan]

8 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Hey guys 

 

Quick one. Video File Metadata. I am wanting some form of program that will allow me to select all my video folders and go through each of my video files and remove the metadata which you would find in the "Details" section when you view the properties of a video file. 

 

 

Any suggestions, only solutions I have found are some annoying command prompt ways of doing it but for each video file (I have too many to do it file by file), hoping there is a simpler way.

 

It seems FFmpeg may do the trick. It will take some tinkering but once you get the right command line you're good to go. Lots of examples on the interwebnet. 

 

You want to do this in bulk so this might help compliment it

https://www.videohelp.com/software/FFmpeg-Batch

 

[Laithan]

Merry Christmas

[ENTERPRISE]

So I looked at FFMPEG. Decided it easier to go for a manual edit of the files as time spent messing with it, I could just sort it myself lol.

[J7SC_Orion]

On 12/13/2020 at 1:42 PM, Laithan said:

Sorry for the delays, been a bit focused on other things.. I took these pics a while back but never got around to posting them. I added the 2 additional fans to the back which at the time it was during summer where I was having some difficulty getting the heat out fast enough. I also added an additional chrome fan guard. It has been rock solid and I have zero complaints. 

 

 

   

...love builds w/ Delta fans on Asus-E WS...'serious inquiries, only' kind of thing...  

[J7SC_Orion]

@Laithan ...thought you might appreciate this 8-channel Threadripper Pro  beast vid (btw, Gigabyte also just announced a TR Pro WRX80 mobo)

  

 

[Laithan]

Thanks, great video. That thing is a beast! 128 threads.. 128 GEN4 lanes.. Foxconn fans on the memory. That's a whole new level of overkill that I haven't even explored lol. I didn't realize that the chip was also unlocked. I suspect it wouldn't overclock all that well anyway given that the cooler would have to be cryo or something to keep the heat under control but one can dream :).

 

My only gripe (since I like to build my own) is that AMD is doing an "EPIC Games store" exclusive move where you cannot buy this CPU unless you buy it from IBM in a pre-built system.. which I cannot applaud but it is a very different market I guess so I cannot really compare it to consumer grade marketing.

 

The Zen 3 based Threadripper Genesis might be something we see this year also.. 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Laithan

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Laithan said:

Thanks, great video. That thing is a beast! 128 threads.. 128 GEN4 lanes.. Foxconn fans on the memory. That's a whole new level of overkill that I haven't even explored lol. I didn't realize that the chip was also unlocked. I suspect it wouldn't overclock all that well anyway given that the cooler would have to be cryo or something to keep the heat under control but one can dream :).

 

My only gripe (since I like to build my own) is that AMD is doing an "EPIC Games store" exclusive move where you cannot buy this CPU unless you buy it from IBM in a pre-built system.. which I cannot applaud but it is a very different market I guess so I cannot really compare it to consumer grade marketing.

 

The Zen 3 based Threadripper Genesis might be something we see this year also.. 

  

...'good news' > here  ...looks like TR Pros are getting out into the wild after all. Apparently, Lenovo had a time-limited exclusive in return for all the workstation app validation, but check out those other new WRX80 TR Pro mobos coming out...the Asus and perhaps the Gigabyte might also not disappoint re. bios options for, ahem, '''tuning''' 

 

...what I find most interesting about the TR Pros is a.) 8 channel RAM and b.) huge range of RAM genre and up to 2 TB size...and the new boards also include U.2, 2x 10 GB Lan and other goodies such as a 'gazillion' PCIe 4, along with a stout VRM (you know, for '''tuning'''  )

[Laithan]

Drool... Nice to see these. So many modern boards only have 2 or 3 PCI-e slots and the CPUs are pretty low on PCI-e lanes... of course this is essentially forced obscelescence to some degree. Despite SLI being "dead" (I am sure we will see a comeback at some point) there are needs like RAID cards, NICs, sound boards, capture cards etc. making the expandability extremely limited. I bet Zen 2/3 is loving the 8-channel memory. 

 

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Laithan said:

Drool... Nice to see these. So many modern boards only have 2 or 3 PCI-e slots and the CPUs are pretty low on PCI-e lanes... of course this is essentially forced obscelescence to some degree. Despite SLI being "dead" (I am sure we will see a comeback at some point) there are needs like RAID cards, NICs, sound boards, capture cards etc. making the expandability extremely limited. I bet Zen 2/3 is loving the 8-channel memory. 

 

 

 

 

I agree - at least I like the option of running multiple PCIe 16x cards such as network cards or even quad M.2 cards, never mind SLIx2/x3/x4.  The older boards with the extra PCIe slots and PEX are precious to me and I keep them around, even after their primary use-days are over.

 

Since my retro-builds w/ the Gigabyte Z170 Force (4x PCIE 3.0 16x via PEX) and the Asus X79-E WS (2 PEX chips), I still have an unused Asus X99-E WS (2 PEX) from a past workstation build per pic below...it currently doesn't have a CPU...the 5960X that used to be in there has now moved to another setup ....thinking of searching for s.th. like a used Intel Xeon (up to E5-2699 22c for that X99-E WS mobo), but every time I check fleabay for those used Xeons, I get an uneasy feeling...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Laithan]

Yeah they are precious especially since Intel hasn't really changed a real lot over the years... the only thing making these boards age is the lack of cores in the desktop processors but as you pointed out there are Xeons that will go beyond 8 cores. My gaming PC still runs X79 and has a 8-core Xeon (1680v2) that is unlocked and was only sold in Mac PROs. The community has modified the BIOS to allow for NVME, Microcode updates and other support. I think Intel learned the lesson and that's why they didn't release a 10-core or higher unlocked CPU for X99

 

There is a 22 core for X99? I could only find an 18 core, but still that's a great workstation system or ESXi host. 

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Laithan said:

Yeah they are precious especially since Intel hasn't really changed a real lot over the years... the only thing making these boards age is the lack of cores in the desktop processors but as you pointed out there are Xeons that will go beyond 8 cores. My gaming PC still runs X79 and has a 8-core Xeon (1680v2) that is unlocked and was only sold in Mac PROs. The community has modified the BIOS to allow for NVME, Microcode updates and other support. I think Intel learned the lesson and that's why they didn't release a 10-core or higher unlocked CPU for X99

 

There is a 22 core for X99? I could only find an 18 core, but still that's a great workstation system or ESXi host. 

  

...oh yeah, 22 core / 44 threads, 55 MB cache, AVX2 etc...   .of course, a 10c/20t 6950X unlocked 'consumer' CPU also fits

   

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by J7SC_Orion
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[Diffident]

Those old Xeon's are fine if you're not paying the electric bill.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Diffident

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Diffident said:

Those old Xeon's are fine if you're not paying the electric bill.

 

???

TDP for the 22 core Xeon is 145 W...for 5960X 8 core it is 140 W...for TR 2950X 16 c it is 180 W...etc etc

[Diffident]

56 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

???

TDP for the 22 core Xeon is 145 W...for 5960X 8 core it is 140 W...for TR 2950X 16 c it is 180 W...etc etc

 

TDP isn't total power draw.  Plus Intel TDP is listed as its base freq not the turbo freq.

 

I have 2 Xeon E5-2670's in a single system that I have now retired because of the power consumption.   A single Ryzen R9 CPU can outperform them with less power draw.

[Laithan]

17 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...oh yeah, 22 core / 44 threads, 55 MB cache, AVX2 etc...   .of course, a 10c/20t 6950X unlocked 'consumer' CPU also fits

   

 

Oh yeah that's right, I forgot to look at the "V4" CPUs and was only looking at the "V3" ones. That's pretty awesome then.. If I didn't have a C620 board (essentially X79 for servers) for my ESXi server, this is definitely what I would be looking at. That 6950X looks really nice also. I honestly didn't pay much attention to the newer CPUs (well they are older now lol) after I got my RIVBE X79 desktop that I am still using because despite the IPC improvements, this platform is still performing just fine (IVY-e) and I'm not really seeing any CPU bottlenecks with my 2080Ti as I mainly only run @ 4K.

[Laithan]

2 hours ago, Diffident said:

 

TDP isn't total power draw.  Plus Intel TDP is listed as its base freq not the turbo freq.

 

I have 2 Xeon E5-2670's in a single system that I have now retired because of the power consumption.   A single Ryzen R9 CPU can outperform them with less power draw.

 

Yes they are getting a bit old now but I guess it really depends what you are using them for. Are you sure TDP is @ base frequency, it seems to be at boost actually. 

 

My gaming PC, it draws a ton of power.. well, the 2080Ti alone will draw 380W easy and the CPU is overclocked which definitely draws a lot of power.. I would guess around 200W under load maybe more. 

 

My servers are pretty power efficient (The CPUs anyway) though although I don't have a Ryzen system to compare them to. I figured I would take a look at my Plex server since it is also using an E5-1680V2 (Stock TDP is 130W). I don't have it overclocked right now. This doesn't measure total power consumption but for just a quick test I figured I would take a look. 3 scenarios: (1) Idle @ 5.34W (2) Transcoding a 4K video to 1080p @ 16.28W (3) Stress testing @ 99.9W. It doesn't go above 100w which really isn't too bad.  

 

My ESXi server has Dual E5-2690V2 CPUs and the CPU usage is very low most of the time so I would say they should be using slightly more idle power as above doubled and maybe as much as 50W-75W at most. Both CPUs are never ever maxxed out. 

 

The CPU usage reported by EPU seems to match the TDP rating pretty close anyway.

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Laithan

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Diffident said:

 

TDP isn't total power draw.  Plus Intel TDP is listed as its base freq not the turbo freq.

 

I have 2 Xeon E5-2670's in a single system that I have now retired because of the power consumption.   A single Ryzen R9 CPU can outperform them with less power draw.

  

This is about comparative data, looking at for example the 22c Xeon vs 5960X,  the original CPU that was in there. The numbers I gave re. Intel are 'apples-to-apples', using the same Intel definition - see below.

 

 As to cost, our server setups include high-powered Intel and AMD HEDT. Fortunately, our energy cost here is really low (and 96% of is based on renewable)

 

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Laithan said:

 

Yes they are getting a bit old now but I guess it really depends what you are using them for.

 

My gaming PC, it draws a ton of power.. well, the 2080Ti alone will draw 380W easy and the CPU is overclocked which definitely draws a lot of power.. I would guess around 200W under load maybe more. 

 

My servers are pretty power efficient (The CPUs anyway) though although I don't have a Ryzen system to compare them to. I figured I would take a look at my Plex server since it is also using an E5-1680V2 (Stock TDP is 130W). I don't have it overclocked right now. This doesn't measure total power consumption but for just a quick test I figured I would take a look. 3 scenarios: (1) Idle @ 5.34W (2) Transcoding a 4K video to 1080p @ 16.28W (3) Stress testing @ 99.9W. It doesn't go above 100w which really isn't too bad.  

 

My ESXi server has Dual E5-2690V2 CPUs and the CPU usage is very low most of the time so I would say they should be using around the same idle power as above doubled and maybe as much as 50W-75W at most. Both CPUs are never ever maxxed out.

 

The CPU usage reported by EPU seems to match the TDP rating pretty close anyway.

 

 

 

 

^^Nice ! And yeah, it really depends on the use case. If your concurrent workloads aren't heavily threaded, then the 22c/44t Xeon doesn't make a lot of sense (never mind dual Xeons). 

 

BTW, I can relate re. 380W 2080 TIs - I've got two of them in my work-play hybrid and they do pull a combined 760 W (stock bios). The TR 2950X is a nice sample, all-core at 4.3 GHz / 1.3375v, and a couple of cores on non all-c have hit above 4.6 GHz. IMO, the 16c/32t 2950X is right between a gaming CPU and a full HEDT workhorse such as Xeon and Epyc. It has 'NUMA' vs 'UMA' modes which change its character, speed, latency etc. Perfect for a hybrid build:

 

  

Edited January 24, 2021 by J7SC_Orion
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[Laithan]

28 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

^^Nice ! And yeah, it really depends on the use case. If your concurrent workloads aren't heavily threaded, then the 22c/44t Xeon doesn't make a lot of sense (never mind dual Xeons). 

 

BTW, I can relate re. 380W 2080 TIs - I've got two of them in my work-play hybrid and they do pull a combined 760 W (stock bios). The TR 2950X is a nice sample, all-core at 4.3 GHz / 1.03375v, and a couple of cores on non all-c have hit above 4.6 GHz. IMO, the 16c/32t 2950X is right between a gaming CPU and a full HEDT workhorse such as Xeon and Epyc. It has 'NUMA' vs 'UMA' modes which change its character, speed, latency etc. Perfect for a hybrid build:

 

  

 

My use case scenario is nothing less than "overkill" lolz! You are totally right though.. I could have probably got away with a single 8 core in my ESXi server never mind 20 cores. At the time, I was using it for my Plex server also which was about the only thing really pushing it but now it runs file servers, pi-hole, steam cache and a few others that don't need much at all. 

 

That's a sweet system you have there. I like the way the hard line tubing runs. I see you have an open Thermaltake. My next case will definitely be an open design especially since I always have to leave the side panel off anyway to get rid of the heat. 

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

14 minutes ago, Laithan said:

 

My use case scenario is nothing less than "overkill" lolz! You are totally right though.. I could have probably got away with a single 8 core in my ESXi server never mind 20 cores. At the time, I was using it for my Plex server also which was about the only thing really pushing it but now it runs file servers, pi-hole, steam cache and a few others that don't need much at all. 

 

That's a sweet system you have there. I like the way the hard line tubing runs. I see you have an open Thermaltake. My next case will definitely be an open design especially since I always have to leave the side panel off anyway to get rid of the heat. 

 

 

 

...yeah, lately I've been mostly building open case systems. Noise and dust are less of an issue than I thought / feared though. Besides, you can mod to your heart's content with open cases....for example, in the TT Core P5 / TR / 2080 Tis build above, I actually stuffed 5x 360/60 rads and 4x D5s (dual loop) 'on' there > all the airflow goes from left (near a window) to right and there's so much air movement through the 'channels' that dust mostly ends up to the right of the system, not on it  . The hard line GPU cooling tubes are actually copper. 

 

The TT Core P5 is still not the final word in 'spartan' cases, though. This aluminum contraption '''case''' weighs less than 1 1/2 pds and holds my fav old-school EATX mobo

  

[ENTERPRISE]

On 1/23/2021 at 8:48 PM, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...'good news' > here  ...looks like TR Pros are getting out into the wild after all. Apparently, Lenovo had a time-limited exclusive in return for all the workstation app validation, but check out those other new WRX80 TR Pro mobos coming out...the Asus and perhaps the Gigabyte might also not disappoint re. bios options for, ahem, '''tuning''' 

 

...what I find most interesting about the TR Pros is a.) 8 channel RAM and b.) huge range of RAM genre and up to 2 TB size...and the new boards also include U.2, 2x 10 GB Lan and other goodies such as a 'gazillion' PCIe 4, along with a stout VRM (you know, for '''tuning'''  )

Aside from the octo channel of RAM, I am really liking all the PCIe lanes.

[Laithan]

2 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Aside from the octo channel of RAM, I am really liking all the PCIe lanes.

You made me realize that in order to obtain full memory bandwith, this means you must populate with 8 sticks... which is not only expensive but is also going to make overclocking a bit more challenging. I wonder what the performance difference really is at the end of the day between quad channel and octo channel.. Gimmick or the real deal? Hmmm....

[J7SC_Orion]

38 minutes ago, Laithan said:

You made me realize that in order to obtain full memory bandwith, this means you must populate with 8 sticks... which is not only expensive but is also going to make overclocking a bit more challenging. I wonder what the performance difference really is at the end of the day between quad channel and octo channel.. Gimmick or the real deal? Hmmm....

 

...depends on your use case...if it is in a workstation used to manipulate / post-produce very large 4K (or bigger) files, 8-channel RAM will work best, especially as TR Pro gives you a choice of various types of RAM genre AND the same DDR4 3200 'rating' as the regular TRs. That said, oc'ing 8 sticks  is a bit more tricky than 4 sticks

  

[ENTERPRISE]

2 hours ago, Laithan said:

You made me realize that in order to obtain full memory bandwith, this means you must populate with 8 sticks... which is not only expensive but is also going to make overclocking a bit more challenging. I wonder what the performance difference really is at the end of the day between quad channel and octo channel.. Gimmick or the real deal? Hmmm....

Phew overclocking 8 modules may be difficult, well you can do it but mileage may be short.

 

If you are shelling out the money for the TR Pro platform, I think you would put money aside for the octo RAM lol.

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

I have used both 32 GB (4 sticks of lovely Samsung-B) and 64 GB (8 sticks of the same) on my quad-channel TR. Both RAM options overclocked well, though 4-stick 32 GB was obviously easier to set up and ultimately allowed for a few parameters to be tighter. With the 32c/64t TR or 64c/128t TR ('Pro' or not), 64 GB is minimum, IMO, to keep all those cores nicely fed. With 8 sticks in 8 channel rather than 8 sticks in 4 channels (ie. regular TR), I don't expect too much trouble, on the contrary. Time will tell...  

 

Spoiler

  

  

Edited January 28, 2021 by J7SC_Orion