Bastiaan_NL

Ok, I'll bring the LN2. @Avacado, book a ticket to Vancouver RN! (and everyone else who wants to join

Well, I don't have to go into detail about my opinion on the possibility to purposely bug a benchmark and get crazy scores. As far as the rules go, at this moment it's a mess they are trying to clean up afterwards. I know it's impossible to test every benchmark with all the hardware before putting the rankings online on the bot. So we are the test subjects, and we figure out what is wrong. Sadly that messes up the whole rankings on the bot, maybe it's an idea to put a new gen GPU in beta before actually counting the points towards someones account. So I don't like ECC, but we need something like that to clean up the score board and make it somewhat fair. I'm just watching from the sideline, waiting my turn to turn in a few runs with a 4090. For now I think it's just a waste of time, better use yours to play a game or use it for work instead of trying to beat a score of someone that loves flashing screens and magic beams everywhere I agree that there are other options, and the motivation behind bringing this subject up might not have been actual 'clean' benching but it has been a problem and needs to be solved. Uneven weights are not fair, and the way it hits the latest cards is just crazy. I did not expect to hear this from you A bios like that probably prefers the cold steamy matter, and there are enough pots for sale.... Just saying J, just saying....

The showoffsheet Remind me when I'm on stream tomorrow, will try to take care of it

You never waste time benching I've spent so many hours overclocking, benchmarking and especially looking at other submissions for information.. There is so much to learn from the settings others have used, and then there are people out there who lend you a hand from time to time which is encouraging and saves you a lot of time. So yes, it counts the top 10/15/30 from the submissions I mentioned above. Once you figure out how it works you can do specific benchmarks because you know how the hardware will perform. So a stock GTX470 delidded with a universal waterblock gave me 46 hardware points in 3dmark 2001SE with a highly overclocked 13900k. I knew it would perform somewhere in that range, and that's the only benchmark I did for now. Once I figure out how the voltage controller works I'll add a few pot meters and (probably blow it up) run some benchmarks that put a higher load on the GPU. A year ago I would have ran every GPU benchmark out there, uploaded it all, figured out I had to run specific CPU overclocks for different benchmarks and 'waste' a lot of time doing that. I really enjoyed that learning curve, but sometimes it was frustrating because I had no idea what I was doing wrong. /img/logo.png Bastiaan_NL`s 3DMark2001 SE score: 174217 marks with a GeForce GTX 470 HWBOT.ORG The GeForce GTX 470 @ 901/2026MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the 3DMark2001 SE benchmark. Bastiaan_NLranks #null worldwide and #3 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT. This man knows what he's talking about, older hardware is way more fun and rewarding (literally and figuratively). If you combine the power of a new CPU with an old GPU it'll (usually) crush most of the older runs, pretty easy for harvesting points A 4090 will get you a lot of global points, but be careful when you submit them. I would personally wait until next year, use those points to get on top early and fight your way to the number 1 position

Quick answer for this question: the bot only counts 10 competition submissions, 15 global submissions and 30 hardware submissions for the season. You have 956.9 points for this season which seems correct looking at your stats. As for the career points, the bot counts 30 global submissions and 60 hardware submissions, that's why you have 1639 career points. Take a look at the points tab on your profile and open every tab there for more info.

Sometimes Chris turns off the light in the dungeon but forgets he's on stream. All I see is some shadows, but I'm pretty sure he's moving towards the crawl space. I don't want to know what's happening after that, but the screams are frightening...

So I totally forgot to post here that my fellow Dutchie @server075 became Numba Wan in the Rookie League! We had a bit of fun together and now he is hoarding used old hardware on the Dutch marketplace and looking for every bit of extra performance.. On a different note... After switching CPU's many many times it had to come to this eventually I guess. I dropped a CPU in the socket of the Z690 Dark K!ngp!n board. It was sticking to the TG contact frame and for some reason I didn't hold it down. It only dropped about 1cm, but at a slight angle and managed to bent 4 pins and break a piece of plastic which separates the pins. That plastic is somewhere below the pins, and I can't find it but I can see it missing with my magnifying glass. I did a little test after restoring the pins but it didn't work (kept boot looping. I assume the plasting is preventing the pins from bending into place once the CPU is mounted. I'm very sad and pissed, but I guess that's how things go. At least I had a reason to buy something fancy for now... It's not even easy to notice, I was hoping for the best... And now the new, very cool and good working board:

Hey @neurotix, you are doing a great job on the Bot! I'd like to hang out some time, do you have Discord? I've got some idea's to improve specific scores, which could mean a lot of extra points Besides that, I really enjoy seeing all those results pop up in my feed

ElmorLabs HOT300 Heater Large Backplate - ElmorLabs ELMORLABS.COM Note: HOT300-C Heater Controller is sold separately: https://www.elmorlabs.com/product/elmorlabs-hot300-heater-controller/ The new HOT300-B backplate uses more power (typically a bit above... Or an EVC2 on the mem and a nice bump in voltage to get a bit more than 1500mhz

Not funny Chris, not funny at all I mean, if we have to ship something to the Netherlands it might be worth it to add a few but darn it, 1700 pins is a lot in that socket. They are so close to eachother

Thanks for sharing! I think I checked for an update two days ago and it wasn't there, but glad you tested it so I'll wait Hopefully by the time I've got a nice kit of A-die we'll have a new bios version. Also, I had to play around with the 12300 and I couldn't get it to work on the 2.03 sadly. I still have the 1.14 bios saved and it did work on that one. I don't like the fact that BCLK overclocking doesn't work on the newer versions where the memory overclocking should be better, but despite the older bios version I was working with 7020mhz CL28-39-39-28 2T with a chip that doesn't allow a change of SA voltage. I think the CPU could clock higher if I could get it over 130bclk. Maybe one day with some ICE on the core and a bump in voltages all around, but I'm sort of careful with this AVX 12300. /img/logo.png Bastiaan_NL`s SuperPi - 32M score: 4min 36sec 120ms with a Core i3 12300 HWBOT.ORG The Core i3 12300 @ 5720MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the SuperPi - 32M benchmark. Bastiaan_NLranks #null worldwide and #2 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

Oh man, that sucks...

I just couldn't get the memory clocks up higher, and I tried enough (lower core clock higher mem etc) but it was just acting up. Probably has lesser quality chips, idk. After that I decided to give it a voltmod, it is working but the boost algorithm is just a pain in the behinds to get it working properly. Under LN2 it might work properly, but with ambient cooling it is just all over the place. My card was for F@H, which it did good enough but it is a single 8 pin design (XC). I just feel like it's a bit behind in quality compared to your FTW3.

Ha, I feel you It takes a lot of time and some figuring out before one understands how that system works. Personally I think that the follwing numbers are the most relevant: 4 - 3 - 6 (but season points) - 1 - 7 4. Season ranking is what one works for with current hardware he owns, sort of shows the activity from that year. 3. Career ranking is a little less relevant, though it's a more long therm picture of what one has done. 6. Season points speaks for itself, the number means more to active users than outsiders though. 1. League is pretty important, if someone is fifth in the extreme league it's a way bigger acomplishment than being first in the enthusiast league. 7. And medals is kinda fun to show off with, though besides global medals it doesn't really matter that much to me.

Nice results @Mr. Fox As far as competing goes, my card is not willing to do more. Memory sucks and I couldn't get it to do more with the core either. The only way forward is with a better card, and I'm not sure I want another 3060Ti.

I know you wouldn't sub those runs, as it makes no sense if you do not compete and probably for moral reasons too. As far as the 'farce' of ECC goes, I know what you mean and it's sad that measures like this are needed to keep those bugged runs out but I truly hate seeing modded or bugged runs on HWBOT (ask @Avacado). When I see a few green lights during the whole run it's fine, but if the whole screen turns into a disco party or an artistic construction site I'll hit that ESC button as fast as possible and find a way to make it work. Now I've had a few runs finish with artefacts and received higher scores, but it never felt right to submit those. Also, what is the point for me? I've got so much hardware that I could just grab another card which works better. It is sad that things are going this way, but I feel like that's a natural evolution of 'good things'... The 4090 looks really good this way! I love the cable, it looks so much better than an extension with those 4 big connectors! As much as I hate the design of the 12VHPWR, it looks way cleaner than having 3 (or 4 as per spec) PCIE power cables sticking out of a GPU. Picture quality is almost (if not) perfect, I had to go full screen to really enjoy it

So excellent that I have been thinking for days and I have no clue what to do to make it fair, interesting and work.. Also, that team captain thing wasn't my choice. I don't mind keeping an eye out for incorrect team submissions but I'm not really looking for extra work. Going by HWBOT points would be a big mistake. For example, I have at least 1500 points in benchmarks that I could submit if I wanted to. Cheap hardware is the most entertaining, and usually not worth a lot on the bot. That one hurts, that one time you were there with me and I blew that GT240 GDDR5 Though that's the only card I remember literally blowing up...

A part of it is regret, but I have so much more fun with older GPU's than the newer GPU's. I recently found out what was holding me back with the 7970 and managed to clock it a lot higher. Still not where I want to be but so much fun to play with it. You keep saying this, but I know you still enjoy it way too much for it to be just 'fine tuning' That's a big difference, and it'll make the game way more enjoyable this way! This is really interesting. I watched a few benchmark video's with LN2 on 4090's and they are all using a big heater. Now I know that it's useful to keep the condensation to a minimum but now it also serves as a memory heater to keep the clocks up. Maybe a good voltmod on the memory might help to keep the temps up There is a nice discussion on HWBOT going about the artefacts in benchmarks leading to unreasonable scores which are still 'valid'. The latest systeminfo version includes a check for ECC enabled, which will cut performance but should filter out those bugged runs. I'm still not sure what to think about it, but at least they are trying to make it fair for everyone. To keep the memory warmer than the core you would almost use a less efficient thermal putty cause you want the core to be as cold as possible. At least you now know what was/is holding you back.

Happy thanksgiving guys, and all the best to all of you I'm glad you pulled through Jan, and I hope you'll stay with us for a long time. Don't let that weird pumping thing hold you back

Oh I bet he is getting rich, I got some stuff for free too so you know what that means Now you are talking, you getting a few goodies from Elmor and using a pot is music to my ears!

Everytime I look at HWBOT this song pops up in my mind. Pretty sure not everyone likes this kind of music, but it is kinda funny.. ( @J7SC_Orion I spend more time listening to classical music than this stuff, just so you know ) Also, some hardware showed up some time ago but I haven't played with it much. For now it's on the ever growing list of projects, but 'soon' it'll be used to overclock some hardware even further!

An internal comp sounds great, though we might have to set some strict rules or choose a specific benchmark to not favor the expensive hardware some of us own. Also, even though the Netherlands isn't that big and I 'know' two other benchers over here I really don't care much about the Country Cup. We as EHW are a team and that's why it was so much fun with the Team Cup.

Sadly no sparkles, missed opportunity Looks cool hot though

The one I had was only here for a few days to play around with. Given it had a 450w locked limit (inno3d) I couldn't do a lot of crazy things. Still great performance compared to the 3090 or a 2080Ti which my brother has now, as he's the new owner of that card and he doesn't overclock his hardware. The card really needs that 600W to keep those clocks over 3ghz, or even higher, as this one runs at an average of a little over 2900mhz under load at an even 450W. It is around 16°C in the house over here, unless the sun heats up the house. I like it like that, but when I'm benching it can go down to 10°C in the hardware room/office

Hardware is moving really fast at the moment, or at least it feels like it, so if you keep waiting on the next gen because it will be a lot faster you'll keep waiting until the end of times. I know what you mean, that it might be a bit late for LGA1700 but it'll last you a long time if you upgrade. Do you need it? Not at all. With those single core clock speeds you are getting out of the 5950X and the high all core clocks you are still good for a long time, depending on how crazy high your FS settings are As far as the 12VHPWR connector goes, I've got one from ElmorLabs which I can hook up to the PMD so I can keep an eye on the power draw once I buy a 4090 for myself. A HOF card would be nice, but I doubt I'll like the price tag... Seeing der8auer's video with the EVC2 hooked up to his ASUS 4090 drawing over 800W, using some chilled water or colder would be a better idea. Keeping it cool will be a hard task. When I saw the first results from those AM5 chips I was convinced I would go AMD this time, but the 13th gen has been great so far (besides a few hickups). I'm still not blown away by the memory clocks and timings I see on AM5, not worth it for me as long as I can't get those clocks up and still maintain a high IF clock etc. The X3D will be interesting, I hope for the sake of everyone it'll perform really good so Intel has some competition. The Port Royal hall of fame and me are waiting on your 4090 WC results..