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...noticed that a 6800 XT (w/ 5950X, both on LN2) took 1st place at Firestrike / Hwbot. While Firestrike is lower rez, still a big achievement, especially when considering the margin over 3090 (also LN2). HWBot is not office 'productivity software', but still...the basic design of RDNA2 seems to have a lot of headroom (at lower rez, at least).

...some brief flying in the snow around the neighborhood...after a while, wings etc really do ice up in MS FS 2020 ?

The NVidia ecosystem is the big one for AMD, IMO, re. productivity software. On the hardware side, I already mentioned potential memory bandwidth questions at 4K with the latest Radeon, which is otherwise very impressive (and priced right, comparatively speaking that is). I used a Radeon 79xx CrossFire system for years for both gaming and some 'light' productivity w/o any BSOD or other issues, and I know programmers who still swear by their Radeon Vega Frontier Edition on Ubuntu and custom video compression software. At the same time, the NVidia ecosystem is just far superior, at least for now, which is why most of our current systems are NVidia-based. It should be interesting to watch what happens with AMD Radeon on the 3rd-party software support side over the next few months, and also with NVidia Ampere 2.0 (TSMC 7nm) on the hardware side.

banned coz...who reads memos ? Possibly, programmers spent too much time in the real world tribute car, instead of coding ?!

I still have a single-phase cooler sitting in a corner a few yards from me...it used to settle in nicely at around -50 C for 4C/8T consumer CPUs, but with big HEDTs, its fundamental weakness (load response time) - mucked things up with the big CPUs...while it can easily handle 400+ W CPUs, it would take too long to react as loads shot up, by which time the system had crashed...always had to 'trick it' via pre-loading slowly to max power, then run a bench such as Cinebench

...agree that it would sell well. Apart from a memory bus bandwidth advantage, HBM2 uses less power than GDDR6(+X), but is more expensive..yet with an extra $300 to play with while undercutting the 3090 (for now...), it would have been my dream-card for 4K etc...a regular GDDR6 equipped-card could have been sold as is as the RX 6900, while the RX 6900 'XT' would have offered HBM2 (and perhaps Infinity Cache on top) But who knows, may be there will be a workstation / enterprise version coming out with HBM2...either way, a good time for upgrades in 2021 with this suddenly more competitive market.

Judging by 6800 XT test results so far, IMO 6090 XT performance will be very close to if not exceed 3090, at least at below 4K. I still wonder though why AMD didn't do a $1,299 6900 XT w/ HBM2 and its memory bandwidth to oppose the $1,500 3090

AMD 5959X all-core 16C/32T at 5.3GHz (GPUz validation) - with a helping hand from - Intel ?

...still more reading and reviewing to do, but it seems that at lower resolutions, the 6800XT is very strong while at 4K, memory bandwidth limitations start to come into play, even with Infinity Cache. Then again, I expect multiple driver updates, patches and the like...another reason to wait a bit as to how it all shakes out between AMD and NVidia EDIT: ...added Hardware Unboxed review (a lot of 1440p and 4K gaming data). As my top system is exclusively 4K, I am a little bit disappointed re. memory bandwidth. While the upcoming 6900 XT will be a real competitor to the NVidia 3090, I think it has the same memory setup as the 6800 XT...Infinity Cache clearly was deemed necessary for good reason, but I can't help wonder what a 6900 XT with HBM2 would do...

...another review of the 6800 XT below. Elsewhere, I think I read ('Google translate') that the RX 6K series do support CrossFire...leaving out the pros and cons of CrossFire, SLI etc, for a moment... a nice Ryzen 5950 build w/ 2x RX 6900 XTs and full w-cooling for all components might be an interesting project for early '21...but a lot more reviews of both AMD and NVidia to come before then...

I'm sure glad that I haven't run into any 4K limits whatsoever with my 2x factory w-cooled 2080 Tis - not because I don't like the new stuff / new builds, but because it affords me plenty of time (say, February '21) to pick and choose the best option w / o having to madly hit F5 for weeks on end only to have the pleasure to pay for a marginal clocker at inflated 'scarcity' prices... When the time comes, I hope Nvidia has released its 7nm consumer versions (ie 3080 Ti, 3090, even Titan ?) and AMD's 6900 XT will be out there aplenty on the shelves

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The One Plus Nord isn't even available over here yet (only beta sign-up, per below). Since I don't like Apple ('it's [marketing bumf] magic' ?), I'd look at a mid-range Samsung Galaxy 5G, but I'm anything but an expert on mobile phones. ...also, if you like things called 'Nord' with great specs for the money, how about this 142 meter mega yacht; just finishing sea trials...it has all kinds of mobile communication built in at no extra charge !

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banned for not driving electric...self-banned for not driving electric

...yeah, I know those frustrations (I built at least five past quad-SLI / quad-fire system and lost count of dual and triple GPU setups). But this is about post-SLI/Crossfire (or what is traditionally known as SLI, such as AFR/2) and looking at upcoming mGPU technologies to 'replace' such traditional SLI with tech that has multiple GPU 'chiplets' or 'tiles' on one card that can 'appear as' a single GPU For now, I am having a grand old time via 2x 2080 Ti in CFR in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (EHW thread on that > here ) - got CFR working with that shortly after Flight Sim 2020 release...4K Ultra ?

...it's the first commercial release (rather than rumour), albeit for the lucrative enterprise market...specifically for streaming. Each card has 4 Intel Xe Lp GPU 'tiles' but with 8 GB VRAM each (32 GB total) and an interesting interconnect*. Apparently, 4-way card configurations (= 16 Xe Lp) are possible. Ecosystem and driver development (including for Linux) seem thorough. This is not your home gamer competitor to 6900 Xt and/or 3090 yet (which is currently known as Intel Xe HPG), nevertheless a step forward for mGPU, IMO. There is talk of an Intel discrete 4-tile 'gamer' card competitor (Xe HPG) in the works, but when / how much, who knows. Still, the first commercial mGPU products are hitting the enterprise market, and that seems like a necessary step on the way for HPG consumer variants, not least as it seems to suggest that the Embedded Multi-die Interconnect Bridge (EMIB) high density interconnect is working - the tech that makes it appear as a single GPU and avoid traditional SLI / Crossfire issues.

A quick update / November 2020...'for your viewing pleasure', the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 thread focuses on NVlink / SLI / CFR results > here Also, per earlier posts in this thread, some stirrings in the multi GPU / single card field...Intel Xe / server apps (for now)...

...I used to use that foam insert as a 'test-bench' when working with DICE or even LN2...just cut out an opening at the back of the mobo where the CPU sits. That usually worked fine, unless you had a really heavy (or multiple) pots that pressed some of the caps on the back of the mobo into the foam if they mobo didn't have a shield. Foam removal-from-mobo technique was critical ?

...whether they lean on their own fabs or go with TSMC per below, Intel had made a set of major misstep several years back (under the previous CEO) which has changed their corporate trajectory down. In addition to CPU, a lot will also ride on the Xe tile graphics for the enterprise market. In any case, I certainly believe that Intel will eventually recover, but re. current and next step fab tech execution, TSMC leads by a country mile (and not just Intel). Now, as the previous 7 or so years had shown, it is best not to have just one price setting and product cycle setting, dominant player - from that consumer perspective alone, I hope Intel will regain its strength. Trouble is, there's a long lead-time in that business, and mistakes made 4+ years ago have an impact for a long while after.

Yeah, and with TSMC apparently doing really well (and booking future capacity now) for 5nm EUV, standing still is going backwards for firms such as AMD. Besides, AMD is on a roll...

What about fine Dutch pipe tobacco ? My dad used to smoke this: Yeah - that was my first E-ATX experience ( > Dremel for the case). BTW, I still have that 'OC Key' thing for it. The 3770K was (is) a great sample, 5+GHz on 240mm AIO, low 1.3xv range

TX...the 4790K does make the most sense I guess (sniff, the 3770K is 'looking at me' ? ). The 4790K also has decent RAM bandwidth (slightly oc'ed DDR3 2666) BTW, that Abit IC-7 G came from an office and time when people would smoke at work, including cigars...cough ?

I recently did a thread titled 'Old HWBot warhorses makeover - fixing bent pins and other past sins' after visiting a storage area full of older parts...being in a computer related field, you can never have enough functioning 'old iron' for back-up, mundane tasks or retro gaming etc (I'm excluding machines here that have full server and firewall tasks here as a back-up location). In addition to my 'regular' machines that run daily (a TR / 2x 2080 Ti / MSI X399 Creation; the recently rebuilt 5960X / 2x 980 CL / Asus Rampage Ex IV; and a recently updated 6700K / 2x 780 Ti CL / Z170 SOC Force), I ended up deploying the fully rebuilt 4960X / 2x 980 CL / Asus X79-E WS) as a NAS + retro gamer. Now I'm left with a choice of deploying either a highly-binned 3770K / Asus Maximus Extreme V (e-atx + extra PCIe slots) or a highly-binned 4790K / Asus Maximus Formula VII (faster, fewer PCIe slots). Both setups were rebuilt and fully stress tested, but not completed / deployed...but the time has come to make a choice for another full retro build. I have all the other pieces (PSU, Case, GPU, HDDs). Rationally, I think the 4790K makes more sense, in part because of the much faster memory bandwidth...but emotionally, I'm really fond of the 3770K setup as that was one of the first hardcore daily + oc builds I ever did... What do you folks think ? Which one should get the nod for a build to pass the time before the next power build in early 2021 (Ryzen5K and/or TR Zen3) ? I'm itching to do a build before then, but only have space for 'one more'... As an aside, I also did manage to test out the old Abit 7 (G) / Pentium 4 below...even found the OCZ (rare) gold heat spreader RAM that went with it. It runs, but it's filthy - be thankful I converted pic to grey-scale -and I do not have an AGP card for it anymore, just some Virge S3 / DX PCI. Besides, I really don't want to fool around with IDE HDD 'master and slave' pins anymore. May be I clean it up and mount it as 'wall-art', the big Zalman Copper 'flower' cooler will look great once cleaned and with the right lighting. The '''loser''' of the above query re. 3770K and 4790K will probably end up right next to it on the wall...? ? ? :