guru3d Twice as powerful, double energy usage - Nvidia GeForce RTX 40 rumor

[UltraMega]

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Greymon55, a data miner seems to have further information about the pending graphics cards. The data miner claims that the new cards are twice as powerful as the RTX 30 cards, but also consume twice as much energy as the previous models.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/twice-as-powerful-but-double-energy-usage-nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-video-cards.html

 

Huge grain of salt but it sounds believable that Nvidia would go balls to the wall with RT and not really focus on power consumption at least until RT is more viable to use. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by UltraMega

[mouacyk]

Linear performance scaling with power consumption? That's stretching.

[Sir Beregond]

Agree with the above, but that also would mean if true that there's technically no performance uplift watt for watt. If you halved the power draw of this theoretical 4080 to what the 3080 draws, is it just a 3080 at that point?

 

I'll wait till we see more concrete stuff.

[Avacado]

Agree as well, but we saying that anyone who will be able to afford these next gen GPU's really cares about power consumption?

[BWG]

9 hours ago, Avacado said:

Agree as well, but we saying that anyone who will be able to afford these next gen GPU's really cares about power consumption?

 

Double is a bit much. Everyone's going to need new Power Supplies again.I think double the performance and power makes sense on the top tier cards though. Many would welcome that fps boost, and you can always power limit if it's a big concern, but doing the same doubling on the lower end models seems a bit tragic for those on tight budgets. I'm pretty excited with the potential for double performance. Maybe we'll see 240hz 4k in this generation.  

[Sir Beregond]

16 hours ago, Avacado said:

Agree as well, but we saying that anyone who will be able to afford these next gen GPU's really cares about power consumption?

Typically no, but double what it is now will necessitate rebuying PSU's again. It's excessive when you figure some 3090s can draw close to 500W. Are we really saying next cards are double that? I don't think so.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[Avacado]

11 hours ago, BWG said:

 

Double is a bit much. Everyone's going to need new Power Supplies again.I think double the performance and power makes sense on the top tier cards though. Many would welcome that fps boost, and you can always power limit if it's a big concern, but doing the same doubling on the lower end models seems a bit tragic for those on tight budgets. I'm pretty excited with the potential for double performance. Maybe we'll see 240hz 4k in this generation.  

 

4 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Typically no, but double what it is now will necessitate rebuying PSU's again. It's excessive when you figure some 3090s can draw close to 500W. Are we really saying next cards are double that? I don't think so.

 

Who exactly will need new PSU's again and what are we thinking the pricing will be on these new units? I don't own any PSU's <1000w. Personally I don't see the difference in running NVlink cards or a new ONE of the newer cards. We always speculate on the TOP tier when these card talks happen and then forget we are talking about ENTHUSIAST level cards. I don't believe a 4060 is going to require 500w. Enthusiasts, which is what all of us are here should be more than capable of handling the wattage and price tag IF we desire whatever comes next.  

 

And no, I don't think we'll see a 1Kw power requirement on a 4090, unless some idiot wants a 1Kw bios (Most will).

 

See This guy already has his 1Kw 4090

 

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Avacado

[ENTERPRISE]

A lot of enthusiasts have 1Kw + PSU's,  so from a standpoint of having to upgrade PSU to handle the next 4080/4090 I do not think many will need to.  

 

I think Nvidia's goal is too really push RT hard, at the expense of the power envelope which is a shame to be honest. More powerful so far as performance does not have to come at a huge expense of power draw. I would prefer to see additional optimization of the process for the next gen over chugging it full of power and throw in some extra RT and Cuda cores. 

 

Im not upgrading anyway due to the fact my 3090 is more than fine and frankly the prices will be mental again.

[Sir Beregond]

Eh. Fair, but a lot of us not on the cutting edge run 650-850W for years. Having to say now go to a 1500w PSU would be redonculous. Hell I'd say that would be ridiculous for anything below the 90 class card. If an 850W can't handle a 70 or 80 class card in the future, I'd say they are going the wrong direction with how they are developing this stuff.

 

From an enthusiast standpoint, you are right. But more and more people are increasingly priced out of that stage at this point.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[ENTERPRISE]

8 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Eh. Fair, but a lot of us not on the cutting edge run 650-850W for years. Having to say now go to a 1500w PSU would be redonculous. Hell I'd say that would be ridiculous for anything below the 90 class card. If an 850W can't handle a 70 or 80 class card in the future, I'd say they are going the wrong direction with how they are developing this stuff.

 

From an enthusiast standpoint, you are right. But more and more people are increasingly priced out of that stage at this point.

Even the enthusiasts are getting priced out lol. The prices get to a point where even the most keen of us are left scratching our heads. 

 

[Sir Beregond]

12 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Even the enthusiasts are getting priced out lol. The prices get to a point where even the most keen of us are left scratching our heads. 

 

That's exactly what I am saying.

 

Personally I don't buy that this is a true rumor. If it's double the performance of Ampere but with double the power draw, that's literally no uplift watt per watt. And secondly, early rumors always try to paint things as "2X this, 3X that" and we all know that's not reality these days. The last time we had a literal doubling of performance (for same tier cards/chips - i.e. flagship to flagship) was probably going from the GTX 580 to the GTX 780 Ti, and close again going from the 980 Ti to the 1080 Ti.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[ENTERPRISE]

14 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

That's exactly what I am saying.

 

Personally I don't buy that this is a true rumor. If it's double the performance of Ampere but with double the power draw, that's literally no uplift watt per watt. And secondly, early rumors always try to paint things as "2X this, 3X that" and we all know that's not reality these days. The last time we had a literal doubling of performance (for same tier cards/chips - i.e. flagship to flagship) was probably going from the GTX 580 to the GTX 780 Ti, and close again going from the 980 Ti to the 1080 Ti.

 

I put ZERO stock in a 2x performance uplift, let alone a 3x. Unless they found some magic process or really are going to dump literally 100% extra power draw on the 4000 series...its not happening. If they did decide to just bang up the power drawer for the sake of keeping the performance crown....they can keep it.

[Sir Beregond]

18 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

If they did decide to just bang up the power drawer for the sake of keeping the performance crown....they can keep it.

100% agree.

[iamjanco]

^ +1

 

Pretty soon our setups might have to look like this:

 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by iamjanco