Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[kaliz]

now i know my 3rd core is bad

[Hurricane28]

19 minutes ago, kaliz said:

really nice, now you can tighten up the primary timings to 30-38-38-50-88     4-8-16-4-16-(120ns)-384   you can get around up to 70000 read with this CPU and RAM combo!! and about 60ns latency!

 

How do you know so sure? I mean, is this even good? I think its pretty good as i am not even on the latest AGESA which also provides better RAM OC. 

 

I will try them tho, why not lol. 

 

What about the voltages? I mean, is this 24/7  usable or? I mean save etc. I need to find a way to cool down the ram tho. 

[neurotix]

10 minutes ago, Hurricane38 said:

 

How do you know so sure? I mean, is this even good? I think its pretty good as i am not even on the latest AGESA which also provides better RAM OC. 

 

I will try them tho, why not lol. 

 

What about the voltages? I mean, is this 24/7  usable or? I mean save etc. I need to find a way to cool down the ram tho. 

Try them with 1.435v VDD and 1.35v VDDQ.

 

And yes they are good and going to those timings, if stable, should lower your latency.

Edited October 19, 2023 by neurotix

[Hurricane28]

sorry for the noob question, but what are those 4-8-16-4-16-(120ns)-384  timings for? There are like million timings in there xD 

[neurotix]

@Hurricane38

 

These are the timings I used at 6200MHz when I still had B-Die in my system. They are very good, quite tight timings. See if they work for you. I was using 1.435v VDD and VDDQ.

 

[neurotix]

1 hour ago, Hurricane38 said:

sorry for the noob question, but what are those 4-8-16-4-16-(120ns)-384  timings for? There are like million timings in there xD 

He's talking about tRRDS, TRRDL, tFAW, tWRTS, tWRTL I think.

 

Check out what I just posted above this though.

Edited October 19, 2023 by neurotix

[Hurricane28]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

He's talking about tRRDS, TRRDL, tFAW, tWRTS, tWRTL I think.

 

Check out what I just posted above this though.

Ah okay, thnx. 

 

I will try those tomorrow. 

 

I still have the other set too, the non RGB one. Could i run these settings with 4 sticks?

 

I bet its too tough on the imc maybe but would be cool tho.

[neurotix]

I wouldn't try the timings I posted with four DIMMs.

 

GL if you try them.

[J7SC_Orion]

@ENTERPRISE ...some quick thoughts on Curve Optimizer (CO):

 

You might want to wait just a bit because some vendors have started to roll out a new AMD AGESA 1.0.8.0 bios for AM5. FYI, not a good idea to use saved profiles from an older bios (take screenshots of your fav profiles, or write it on paper). I mention this because you want to be finished with the RAM tuning before doing CO....There are folks with the latest bios claiming a one-step increase in FCLK and also a gain in RAM MHz...but I cannot verify myself at this point as I am a bios upgrade 'Luddite'.

 

For both my 5950X and 7950X3D COs, I used Hydra (Yuri), albeit different versions. There are other tools such as Corecycler. You need at least Hydra 1.3 c Pro for the Ryzen 7K, ie. > here. This version uses CinebenchR23 for its per-core CO value generations and it can take over an hour with a 16 core (and lots of rebooting). The per-core CO values Hydra will spit out work for most things, including CinebenchR23, but they are still a tad optimistic when it gets to the really tough tests, such as Aida SHA3 - there might actually be something wrong/weird about the SHA3 test, but I can get it to work with my own 'medium' Hydra setting (which is |5| off each of the per-core parameter recommended by Hydra).

 

Another point to keep in mind before starting the per-core CO: Many upscale boards have a separate 'all-core' CO as a PBO boost in their menu and not necessarily titled CO. My 670E Aorus Master has it, and I run the max 90L5 which according to Skatterbencher is a CO of 50, per this screenshot from his YouTube vid on the matter:

 

...I had 90L5 on in the bios when I did the Hydra CO tests, and it is to some extent cumulative. Anyway, something to keep in mind if your MSI board has something similar...you need to decide whether you leave such enhancements on or off. Speaking of bios enhancements, over-boost in 25 MHz steps and scalar in the PBO menus should also be set, along with 'motherboard values' for PPT, TDC, EDC. This can vary significantly from CPU to CPU, but an overboost of 150 MHz is where most people typically settle. Scalar can but do not have to make a difference; I use a scalar of 7 on mine, and that is where the CPUZ comes in handy.

 

Now, before you do the per-core Hydra, you want to assemble your testing software kit; everyone uses their own favs, but I recommend CinebenchR23 (and R24, but it takes longer), Aida - including the cache benchmark which will max some of your high-speed cores and can crash with an overly optimistic CO and of course the aforementioned SHA3 in Aida. I also use several stress tests in OCCT, and 3DM CPU profile, plus TimeSpy/Ex CPU, and CPUZ single thread and multi-threads, and 7-zip compress/de-compress benchmarks.

 

Before you get going on per-core CO, try a few all-core CO values. If you are running stock bclk (which you should for CO baselines), start with -5 then -10, -15 etc until some of your test suite apps hang or crash. Write the last working all-core CO down somewhere. 

 

Finally, you can do the Hydra 1.3 c Pro per-core CO. As mentioned, it takes a while for a 16-core processor. It will likely show various good and some bad cores, and the latter ones are the culprits behind the all-core CO crashes when pushed too far. On my 7950X3D, even with 90L5, I had a few cores at Hydra -40, but also one at -10 and a couple at -24.

 

Take a screenshot of the final Hydra desktop window displaying the per-core results (the Hydra log .txt file sometimes fails). Now back to your stress test suite...most of those will work fine until you hit Aida SHA3...you can back each core CO value off by a given amount and try again until SHA3 passes - but be aware that some folks just ignore SHA3 and use a per-core CO that works for everything else.

 

Finally, I just saw a neat new app called CPU Affinity Scheduler by nukoseer/cas on GitHub >here  ...there are other ways to look CPU affinity cores (ie. via Process Lasso) but from the demo I saw, it is much easier and shows you the bitmask for all 16 cores (example: core07 000000000000C000). You can then use that app to specify which core a process such as aida64.exe (or other apps) should use. I have not tried this new app myself yet, but the source which showed it usually knows what he's posting about. 

 

One more thing - if you start to use bclk (and especially eclk which my 670E Aorus also offers), your per-core CO values need to be redone; with enough eclk, a -40 CO can become a +2, apart from setting PBO overboost to underboost, such as 150 over to 230 under for eclk 104 on my setup.

 

Good luck with the CO ! 

 

[Hurricane28]

11 hours ago, neurotix said:

He's talking about tRRDS, TRRDL, tFAW, tWRTS, tWRTL I think.

 

Check out what I just posted above this though.

 

Nope, these timings did not even boot sadly. 

 

Current, last posted timings, worked fine without these changes. 

 

I would like to try with 4 dimms now tho lol. For the fun of it.

 

What am i looking at with 4 Dimms, what speed timings etc. on DDR5?

[Hurricane28]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

@ENTERPRISE ...some quick thoughts on Curve Optimizer (CO):

 

You might want to wait just a bit because some vendors have started to roll out a new AMD AGESA 1.0.8.0 bios for AM5. FYI, not a good idea to use saved profiles from an older bios (take screenshots of your fav profiles, or write it on paper). I mention this because you want to be finished with the RAM tuning before doing CO....There are folks with the latest bios claiming a one-step increase in FCLK and also a gain in RAM MHz...but I cannot verify myself at this point as I am a bios upgrade 'Luddite'.

 

For both my 5950X and 7950X3D COs, I used Hydra (Yuri), albeit different versions. There are other tools such as Corecycler. You need at least Hydra 1.3 c Pro for the Ryzen 7K, ie. > here. This version uses CinebenchR23 for its per-core CO value generations and it can take over an hour with a 16 core (and lots of rebooting). The per-core CO values Hydra will spit out work for most things, including CinebenchR23, but they are still a tad optimistic when it gets to the really tough tests, such as Aida SHA3 - there might actually be something wrong/weird about the SHA3 test, but I can get it to work with my own 'medium' Hydra setting (which is |5| off each of the per-core parameter recommended by Hydra).

 

Another point to keep in mind before starting the per-core CO: Many upscale boards have a separate 'all-core' CO as a PBO boost in their menu and not necessarily titled CO. My 670E Aorus Master has it, and I run the max 90L5 which according to Skatterbencher is a CO of 50, per this screenshot from his YouTube vid on the matter:

 

...I had 90L5 on in the bios when I did the Hydra CO tests, and it is to some extent cumulative. Anyway, something to keep in mind if your MSI board has something similar...you need to decide whether you leave such enhancements on or off. Speaking of bios enhancements, over-boost in 25 MHz steps and scalar in the PBO menus should also be set, along with 'motherboard values' for PPT, TDC, EDC. This can vary significantly from CPU to CPU, but an overboost of 150 MHz is where most people typically settle. Scalar can but do not have to make a difference; I use a scalar of 7 on mine, and that is where the CPUZ comes in handy.

 

Now, before you do the per-core Hydra, you want to assemble your testing software kit; everyone uses their own favs, but I recommend CinebenchR23 (and R24, but it takes longer), Aida - including the cache benchmark which will max some of your high-speed cores and can crash with an overly optimistic CO and of course the aforementioned SHA3 in Aida. I also use several stress tests in OCCT, and 3DM CPU profile, plus TimeSpy/Ex CPU, and CPUZ single thread and multi-threads, and 7-zip compress/de-compress benchmarks.

 

Before you get going on per-core CO, try a few all-core CO values. If you are running stock bclk (which you should for CO baselines), start with -5 then -10, -15 etc until some of your test suite apps hang or crash. Write the last working all-core CO down somewhere. 

 

Finally, you can do the Hydra 1.3 c Pro per-core CO. As mentioned, it takes a while for a 16-core processor. It will likely show various good and some bad cores, and the latter ones are the culprits behind the all-core CO crashes when pushed too far. On my 7950X3D, even with 90L5, I had a few cores at Hydra -40, but also one at -10 and a couple at -24.

 

Take a screenshot of the final Hydra desktop window displaying the per-core results (the Hydra log .txt file sometimes fails). Now back to your stress test suite...most of those will work fine until you hit Aida SHA3...you can back each core CO value off by a given amount and try again until SHA3 passes - but be aware that some folks just ignore SHA3 and use a per-core CO that works for everything else.

 

Finally, I just saw a neat new app called CPU Affinity Scheduler by nukoseer/cas on GitHub >here  ...there are other ways to look CPU affinity cores (ie. via Process Lasso) but from the demo I saw, it is much easier and shows you the bitmask for all 16 cores (example: core07 000000000000C000). You can then use that app to specify which core a process such as aida64.exe (or other apps) should use. I have not tried this new app myself yet, but the source which showed it usually knows what he's posting about. 

 

One more thing - if you start to use bclk (and especially eclk which my 670E Aorus also offers), your per-core CO values need to be redone; with enough eclk, a -40 CO can become a +2, apart from setting PBO overboost to underboost, such as 150 over to 230 under for eclk 104 on my setup.

 

Good luck with the CO ! 

 

 

 

My PBO curve optimizer is set at 22, most cores boost to max 5.750GHz when doing nothing lol. Never had an issue with it. 

[Hurricane28]

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[ENTERPRISE]

7 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

@ENTERPRISE ...some quick thoughts on Curve Optimizer (CO):

 

You might want to wait just a bit because some vendors have started to roll out a new AMD AGESA 1.0.8.0 bios for AM5. FYI, not a good idea to use saved profiles from an older bios (take screenshots of your fav profiles, or write it on paper). I mention this because you want to be finished with the RAM tuning before doing CO....There are folks with the latest bios claiming a one-step increase in FCLK and also a gain in RAM MHz...but I cannot verify myself at this point as I am a bios upgrade 'Luddite'.

 

For both my 5950X and 7950X3D COs, I used Hydra (Yuri), albeit different versions. There are other tools such as Corecycler. You need at least Hydra 1.3 c Pro for the Ryzen 7K, ie. > here. This version uses CinebenchR23 for its per-core CO value generations and it can take over an hour with a 16 core (and lots of rebooting). The per-core CO values Hydra will spit out work for most things, including CinebenchR23, but they are still a tad optimistic when it gets to the really tough tests, such as Aida SHA3 - there might actually be something wrong/weird about the SHA3 test, but I can get it to work with my own 'medium' Hydra setting (which is |5| off each of the per-core parameter recommended by Hydra).

 

Another point to keep in mind before starting the per-core CO: Many upscale boards have a separate 'all-core' CO as a PBO boost in their menu and not necessarily titled CO. My 670E Aorus Master has it, and I run the max 90L5 which according to Skatterbencher is a CO of 50, per this screenshot from his YouTube vid on the matter:

 

...I had 90L5 on in the bios when I did the Hydra CO tests, and it is to some extent cumulative. Anyway, something to keep in mind if your MSI board has something similar...you need to decide whether you leave such enhancements on or off. Speaking of bios enhancements, over-boost in 25 MHz steps and scalar in the PBO menus should also be set, along with 'motherboard values' for PPT, TDC, EDC. This can vary significantly from CPU to CPU, but an overboost of 150 MHz is where most people typically settle. Scalar can but do not have to make a difference; I use a scalar of 7 on mine, and that is where the CPUZ comes in handy.

 

Now, before you do the per-core Hydra, you want to assemble your testing software kit; everyone uses their own favs, but I recommend CinebenchR23 (and R24, but it takes longer), Aida - including the cache benchmark which will max some of your high-speed cores and can crash with an overly optimistic CO and of course the aforementioned SHA3 in Aida. I also use several stress tests in OCCT, and 3DM CPU profile, plus TimeSpy/Ex CPU, and CPUZ single thread and multi-threads, and 7-zip compress/de-compress benchmarks.

 

Before you get going on per-core CO, try a few all-core CO values. If you are running stock bclk (which you should for CO baselines), start with -5 then -10, -15 etc until some of your test suite apps hang or crash. Write the last working all-core CO down somewhere. 

 

Finally, you can do the Hydra 1.3 c Pro per-core CO. As mentioned, it takes a while for a 16-core processor. It will likely show various good and some bad cores, and the latter ones are the culprits behind the all-core CO crashes when pushed too far. On my 7950X3D, even with 90L5, I had a few cores at Hydra -40, but also one at -10 and a couple at -24.

 

Take a screenshot of the final Hydra desktop window displaying the per-core results (the Hydra log .txt file sometimes fails). Now back to your stress test suite...most of those will work fine until you hit Aida SHA3...you can back each core CO value off by a given amount and try again until SHA3 passes - but be aware that some folks just ignore SHA3 and use a per-core CO that works for everything else.

 

Finally, I just saw a neat new app called CPU Affinity Scheduler by nukoseer/cas on GitHub >here  ...there are other ways to look CPU affinity cores (ie. via Process Lasso) but from the demo I saw, it is much easier and shows you the bitmask for all 16 cores (example: core07 000000000000C000). You can then use that app to specify which core a process such as aida64.exe (or other apps) should use. I have not tried this new app myself yet, but the source which showed it usually knows what he's posting about. 

 

One more thing - if you start to use bclk (and especially eclk which my 670E Aorus also offers), your per-core CO values need to be redone; with enough eclk, a -40 CO can become a +2, apart from setting PBO overboost to underboost, such as 150 over to 230 under for eclk 104 on my setup.

 

Good luck with the CO ! 

 

 

That is awesome dude, thanks for that. I hope to get to this in the coming days. The new AGESA has dropped for my board and now contains GDM controls! However it is a BETA BIOS and I am wondering about holding off until it becomes final prior to flashing and pushing forward with CO, I am a little more wary now with BETA BIOS files this time round. That being said I was going to try my luck with 1:1 MEMCLK/UCLK and 2133FCLK once I have the new AGESA, because you never know. 

[kaliz]

MSI has new beta bios out with option for GDM disabled : this is a very nice OC example 

Just a moment...

WWW.OVERCLOCK.NET

 

[Hurricane28]

Guys, 

 

What temps are you guys getting with your CPU's when running CB23? 

 

I have an custom loop with an 360mm radiator and i see 89c maximum. 

 

I think its pretty high but idk. 

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, Hurricane28 said:

Guys, 

 

What temps are you guys getting with your CPU's when running CB23? 

 

I have an custom loop with an 360mm radiator and i see 89c maximum. 

 

I think its pretty high but idk. 

 

CinebenchR23 will be under 80 C with ambient ~ 25 C. Keep in mind though that I run 3x 480mm x 64 mm triple core copper rads with push-pull fans throughout. There is also a dual-bios RTX 4090 in that loop with 667 W bios.

 

 

 

[kaliz]

The non X3D chips are a bit hotter, 89C is to be expected. What CPU clocks and voltageyou run?

[J7SC_Orion]

10 minutes ago, kaliz said:

The non X3D chips are a bit hotter, 89C is to be expected. What CPU clocks and voltageyou run?

 

moi ? 7950X3D w/stock voltage. I believe @Hurricane28 is running a 7700X per  his rig sig and earlier Aida pics.

[Hurricane28]

Yep correct, 

 

The AMD architecture is designed to reach high temps no matter what i read somewhere. 

 

In gaming it doesn't get hot at all tho.

 

Only way to counter this is to delid the CPU and use direct die cooling on it which i am not keep on doing so im good lol. 

 

Thnx for the feedback tho! 

 

Anyway, 6400MHz CL32 still going strong! Thnx again for the info guys, much obliged. 

 

If i cannot sell my other ram, i will run it with this setup to have 64GB total with 4 sticks and see what i can get. I think it will hang at 6200MHz. 

[Hurricane28]

51 minutes ago, kaliz said:

The non X3D chips are a bit hotter, 89C is to be expected. What CPU clocks and voltageyou run?

Yep, 7700x stock everything except for the curve optimizer set to minus 20 for the undervolt. 

[J7SC_Orion]

@kaliz  waiting for Santa...or the sale after for GSkill DDR5 8600 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[neurotix]

Wonder if Zen 4 is even capable of clocking it that high...

[Hurricane28]

1 minute ago, neurotix said:

Wonder if Zen 4 is even capable of clocking it that high...

 

Ofcos, just load up the xmp and good to go xD

 

Kidding aside, on OCN some people are benching at 8000+MHz on Ryzen 7k. 

[neurotix]

@J7SC_Orionruns his RAM at 8.1Ghz, people do it here too. No longer an OCN reader...

 

Also I can run 8000 for benching or gaming but it won't pass my stability tests...

Edited October 22, 2023 by neurotix

[J7SC_Orion]

...the real fun will start with RDIMM 8-channel TR Pro setups; YT timestamp for > DDR5 ECC 6800