Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Hey guys,

 

Those of you using Curve Optimizer, what sort of negative values were you able to achieve per core ? Just interested to see. I am currently working on my CO, fairly involved process but getting there. 

 

I find it odd sometime that when running CoreCycler at times it will tell me I have an unstable core, on a core where no negative or positive value has been applied which is a little strange, happened a couple of times now...on different cores mind you. 

 

Thanks guys!

 

On a few cores, up to  -44. CCD 0 on my 7950X3D has more CO headroom than CCD 1. Use the SMU software highlighted by @kaliz for in-Windows CO testing against CB23, Linpack and co

[ENTERPRISE]

On 26/11/2023 at 19:37, J7SC_Orion said:

 

On a few cores, up to  -44. CCD 0 on my 7950X3D has more CO headroom than CCD 1. Use the SMU software highlighted by @kaliz for in-Windows CO testing against CB23, Linpack and co

Nice. 

 

Im currently using CB23, 3DMark CPU Bench and CoreCycler. CoreCycler is a sensitive beast and ove had to come down on my CO values to satisfy it. 

 

What are you using to run Linpack ? I can see I can use OCCT and set it to test physical and virtual cores, looks like 20478mb memory is default and I would imagine the memory allocated is not important ?

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Nice. 

 

Im currently using CB23, 3DMark CPU Bench and CoreCycler. CoreCycler is a sensitive beast and ove had to come down on my CO values to satisfy it. 

 

What are you using to run Linpack ? I can see I can use OCCT and set it to test physical and virtual cores, looks like 20478mb memory is default and I would imagine the memory allocated is not important ?

 

Yeah, OCCT's Linpack. I use 'physical only' setting and 29736 MB (out of 48 GB total).

 

FYI, lowering CO values by about 4 from Hydra's CB 23 tested recommendations was the safe bet on my setup for even the hardest / most stressing tests.

[Hurricane28]

Hi guys, 

 

 I finally did it, i sold my AMD set and got Intel. 

 

Sorry, but i couldn't get rid of the issues and annoyment i had with AMD.  I seen so many different things on Intel now compared to AMD that i regred not doing it sooner tbh. 

 

More xmp profiles, more better bios settings etc. etc. 

It just feels like they do more effort on Intel side, you get way more for your money imo. (not try to sound patronizing tho)  

[neurotix]

On 03/12/2023 at 16:59, Hurricane28 said:

Hi guys, 

 

 I finally did it, i sold my AMD set and got Intel. 

 

Sorry, but i couldn't get rid of the issues and annoyment i had with AMD.  I seen so many different things on Intel now compared to AMD that i regred not doing it sooner tbh. 

 

More xmp profiles, more better bios settings etc. etc. 

It just feels like they do more effort on Intel side, you get way more for your money imo. (not try to sound patronizing tho)  

Well, hope it is stable for you. Yes, the board manufacturers put more effort in on the Intel side but AMD support and features on the boards have improved greatly since the Phenom II and FX days to where the features and support are pretty close to as good as Intel...

 

I suppose you have no reason to post in this thread anymore, then?

[J7SC_Orion]

...as posted before, there is a certain  irony that on four gens of Ryzen 16-core CPUs, I only ever used Intel-XMP sticks (dual and quad channel) w/o any problems on higher end AMD boards.

[Hurricane28]

9 hours ago, neurotix said:

Well, hope it is stable for you. Yes, the board manufacturers put more effort in on the Intel side but AMD support and features on the boards have improved greatly since the Phenom II and FX days to where the features and support are pretty close to as good as Intel...

 

I suppose you have no reason to post in this thread anymore, then?

 

Its stable AF to say it like this, couldn't be more happy tbh. 

 

Such a shame, if they put more effort on AMD platform i am sure AMD will be better than Intel. If that day comes, i go back to AMD. 

 

My 6400MHz RAM just boot to 7200MHz without an issue, it didn't even have to train. I just set predefined profile and the system was like: "okay boss, here we go" lmao. 

 

temps are also greatly reduced and the temps are more ez to hold in check. 

 

I have no AMD system more but i can still post here AMD related stuff ofcos lol. I doubt that tho cos i have so much to learn about Intel systems.. Its wildly different than AMD so.

[Hurricane28]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...as posted before, there is a certain  irony that on four gens of Ryzen 16-core CPUs, I only ever used Intel-XMP sticks (dual and quad channel) w/o any problems on higher end AMD boards.

 

You're a RAM magician lol. 

 

I mean, you have the highest speeds i ever saw. I talked to several people who cannot even run Expo 6000MHz Ram regarding the BIOS. 

 

To gain stability they had to run 4800 or 5200MHz Jdec spec in order to be stable. You are just extremely lucky i guess too.

[J7SC_Orion]

12 hours ago, Hurricane28 said:

 

You're a RAM magician lol. 

 

I mean, you have the highest speeds i ever saw. I talked to several people who cannot even run Expo 6000MHz Ram regarding the BIOS. 

 

To gain stability they had to run 4800 or 5200MHz Jdec spec in order to be stable. You are just extremely lucky i guess too.

 

...not a RAM magician, but I select my components carefully after doing this for decades for work and play - I wanted an 8-layer PCB (or better) 670E mobo with 'eclk' and great VRM cooling, and the 670E Aorus Master offered all of that, was available locally and had the least outrageous price.  I still have far more Intel systems than AMD and look forward to see the best of each as the market evolves.

 

...started to check out different bios and Agesa (1.0.0.7c to 1.1.0.0). Before I switched, I gave the 1.0.0.7c / F13 a 'full steam ahead' to set a mark the new bios and Agesa have to meet and/or surpass

 

[Hurricane28]

11 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...not a RAM magician, but I select my components carefully after doing this for decades for work and play - I wanted an 8-layer PCB (or better) 670E mobo with 'eclk' and great VRM cooling, and the 670E Aorus Master offered all of that, was available locally and had the least outrageous price.  I still have far more Intel systems than AMD and look forward to see the best of each as the market evolves.

 

...started to check out different bios and Agesa (1.0.0.7c to 1.1.0.0). Before I switched, I gave the 1.0.0.7c / F13 a 'full steam ahead' to set a mark the new bios and Agesa have to meet and/or surpass

 

 

I always do the same which i came up with my Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX. But the Giga bios team doesn't seem to like that board as its plagued with lot of issues i read on the net. 

 

Best AGESA was 1007 for me, and the beta bios was better than the "stable" BIOS even. 

 

Newest AGESA 1.1.0.0 was so unstable on my board that it refused to boot after setting my ram at stock settings 6400MHz while it was perfectly stable on the 1.0.0.7 BIOS. 

 

I really liked my 7700x CPU tho but unfortunately PBO is also broken as hell cos it causes so much instability and let the CPU boost to high clocks when no one wants it. I discovered this myself and i heard Buildzoid also talking about it and several others. 

 

Its not all AMD tho, its also the motherboard vendors that need to step up for AMD and put more settings in BIOS instead of the weird mess some AMD BIOS's are. 

 

As an example, on my Gigabyte Aorus z790 Elite X WIfi7 i have an mouse pointer speed option. That allows the mouse to move faster without stuttering. Its not a big deal, but it shows that they put effort even on the little things. 

 

There are also multiple profiles for the CPU to run at and you get warnings if you are close to the red line. This is great and if they put more effort in these AMD BIOS's i am sure they can implement this as well. IMO most AMD BIOS's are looking rushed and lack of care. 

 

Also several memory options, not only xmp. but also pre loaded profiles you can look in to and maybe boot. This is what i use for my 7200MHz without any issue so far. They could also do this on AMD boards.. 

 

AMD boards and RAM are also more expensive so have less useful settings and less features on the board for more money just doesn't seem right to me. 

 

I just wish AMD steps up their software team and motherboard vendors are also stepping up their AMD boards cos this is for me not acceptable. 

[J7SC_Orion]

@Bastiaan_NL ...a bit of Benchmate fun for old times' sake (HWBot subzero) 

Normal game settings, ambient temp was 26 C, no special prep - I really like this 7950X3D and the 670E Aorus Master 

  

  

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[neurotix]

10 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

@Bastiaan_NL ...a bit of Benchmate fun for old times' sake (HWBot subzero) 

Normal game settings, ambient temp was 26 C, no special prep - I really like this 7950X3D and the 670E Aorus Master 

  

  

 

 

 

 

 

Nice. Are you on our hwbot team?

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, neurotix said:

 

Nice. Are you on our hwbot team?

 

...nope; I stopped doing HWBot / elite (sub-zero) years back, but 'technically', I am still a member of another smaller team

[Sir Beregond]

On 25/11/2023 at 20:54, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Greetings fellow bios luddite ! I downloaded the 1.1.0.0 bios for my 670E Aorus Master the day it came out, but I am still on F13C and my 5950 / ROG Dark Hero is still on 3801

Hey I'm still on 3801 on my 5900X/Dark Hero.

[kaliz]

Got a 7600X and it is pretty much the same as my other AM5 cpus with DDR5. it runs 8000C32-43 and also gets really hot in benchmarks with AiO 

[neurotix]

4 minutes ago, kaliz said:

Got a 7600X and it is pretty much the same as my other AM5 cpus with DDR5. it runs 8000C32-43 and also gets really hot in benchmarks with AiO 

Nice dude! Have fun with it.

[neurotix]

Hey @J7SC_Orionwhat motherboard do you have? Is it this?

 

Amazon.com

WWW.AMAZON.COM

 

I am highly considering getting a different board to see if 1. I can clock my RAM higher and 2. If I can get 5650MHz boost using PBO for benching.

 

I am sick of thus pos Rog Strix X670E-E gaming wifi board.

 

Updated it to AGESA 1.1.0.1 today and it still didn't fix my 2nd CCD boosting problem for benching. It topped out at 5.2GHz running 3dmark11.

 

Unfortunately the new bios included a LED controller update that made it so when I rebooted to Linux, it would not keep the colors I had set in Windows and was doing animated rainbow puke after it POSTED. Back to the older bios now and that fixed it. I guess I'll stick with it and deal, I will probably talk to the wife about a new board after the holidays.

Edited December 19, 2023 by neurotix

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

Hey @J7SC_Orionwhat motherboard do you have? Is it this?

 

Amazon.com

WWW.AMAZON.COM

 

I am highly considering getting a different board to see if 1. I can clock my RAM higher and 2. If I can get 5650MHz boost using PBO for benching.

 

I am sick of thus pos Rog Strix X670E-E gaming wifi board.

 

Updated it to AGESA 1.1.0.1 today and it still didn't fix my 2nd CCD boosting problem for benching. It topped out at 5.2GHz running 3dmark11.

 

Unfortunately the new bios included a LED controller update that made it so when I rebooted to Linux, it would not keep the colors I had set in Windows and was doing animated rainbow puke after it POSTED. Back to the older bios now and that fixed it. I guess I'll stick with it and deal, I will probably talk to the wife about a new board after the holidays.

 

Yes, that's the board (X670E Master). I think there is an updated version that doesn't use the Intel NIC as some folks seem to have problems with it (mine works just fine with the Intel NIC). FYI, I have tested bios with Agesa from 1.0.0.7c to 1.1.0.0. The F13c (1.0.0.7c) bios for that board is my favourite. 

 

Note that this is a 4-dimm board (one of the best, IMO). I think @kaliz can also tell you more about some nice ASRock boards as well re. good RAM oc etc

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[J7SC_Orion]

...had a bit of time today for some benching w/ eclk 105, no per-core CO yet, just Aorus 90L6 PBO enhancement (an all-core CO or sorts). Glad that this all ran fine with no extra voltage boost via per-core CO at a 5% overclock 

 

[ENTERPRISE]

As a small update with me, I have been slowly getting my CO sorted. I thought I had it, but I was still seeing some instability when playing games. So I have started more extensive testing. Running CoreCycler and OCCT Linpack at the the same time is exposing offending cores more quickly, I am getting far less errors now so I am getting there slowly. My chip is not a Golden sample BUT it is good to get something extra out of it. 

 

Oddly enough, I have had to add a positive offset to one of my cores to stop it from complaining lol. After doing some reading, that is not too uncommon.

 

Once CO is done, I may look into playing with the eclk to see what extra I can get out of it. 

[J7SC_Orion]

10 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

As a small update with me, I have been slowly getting my CO sorted. I thought I had it, but I was still seeing some instability when playing games. So I have started more extensive testing. Running CoreCycler and OCCT Linpack at the the same time is exposing offending cores more quickly, I am getting far less errors now so I am getting there slowly. My chip is not a Golden sample BUT it is good to get something extra out of it. 

 

Oddly enough, I have had to add a positive offset to one of my cores to stop it from complaining lol. After doing some reading, that is not too uncommon.

 

Once CO is done, I may look into playing with the eclk to see what extra I can get out of it. 

 

  
Per-core CO can be quite a chore / not unlike overclocking RAM. I trust you are using SMUdebug for per-core CO, or even per-CCD or all-core?

[ENTERPRISE]

4 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

  
Per-core CO can be quite a chore / not unlike overclocking RAM. I trust you are using SMUdebug for per-core CO, or even per-CCD or all-core?

Yeah using SMUdebug for per core CO. I knew it would be a chore doing it core by core, but it is the best way ultimately.

[J7SC_Orion]

some digital desert after too much turkey and eggnog...

 

CCG0 vs CCD1 results are interesting

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[J7SC_Orion]

@ENTERPRISE ...these 7950X3D are among the most fun I've had playing with a CPU...a bit of a Jekyll & Hyde character. The voltage limitations are a good thing, IMO, as it forces one to look for other avenues.

 

[pio]

Picking up a 7900x system here soon.  Anything I should know jumping from a 5800x guys?   Or is it just XMP / PBO and go?  I can probably handle that.