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AFAIK, GDDR6X still has only one supplier (= pricey) and also needs additional quality control step$

...yeah, may be it's just a love for some degree of symmetry, but my fav builds to make are HEDT (Quad Channel RAM) and dual GPUs, like below...been doing SLI since '12 ?

...yeah, but they're doing their shareholders a lot of favours with that. For the regular consumer though: ? ...also, I don't believe that in NVidia's financials, gaming and mining card revenue are separated (and some folks do both anyhow), while enterprise level GPU is a separate column

There are too many factors interlocking right now to even try to forecast mining in particular and GPU prices in general...including China's introduction of a digital currency, 'casino speculators' galore - but also a real attempt by folks to hedge a bit against future inflation, given latest money supply growth figures. Then there's that trade war with a 25% tariff...the higher the base price, the higher this extra 'tax'. Also, it looks like NVIdia (and soon AMD ?) have successfully established an 'ueber-class' of GPUs which they can't produce fast enough to meet demand...they would be foolish from a profit-maximizing POV not to exploit it, as much as I don't personally like it Add several confirmed news stories about hundreds of millions of dollars of Ampere being bought up right at the factory gates where they are manufactured and the plot thickens...that's before additional demand via Covid-19 factors impacting both the home and workstation markets, or the higher input prices for components of a GPU (and other electronics <> note the shortages of some bits these days) Speaking of the workstation market, and this may sound a bit lunatic, for what you are getting in terms of performance, even 3090s are a great deal from the POV of a productivity purchase. I use my 2080 TIs and the 3090 for both work and play and know the prices of a workstation Quadro RTX. I wanted to add a 16 GB min VRAM GPU as I'm moving completely to 4K and was set to find a 6900 XT which I really like, but software support and also just the 4K performance drop-off steered me towards to 3090 24 GB VRAM, so a partial business purchase. A final point which bugs me a bit is that the OC community (to which I fervently belong, including prior LN2 XOC) should look at itself as well in this pricing and availability context. The community made up of both responsible and less responsible folks. I know of several people who just order and/or pick up a 3090 air-cooled model, slap the KPE XOC 1000 W bios on it with all safeties removed for bench-marking - then return it to the store a week or so later if it wasn't a 'golden chip' in their opinion. The store then resells it as open-box (presumably with the old bios flashed back). Others go through various hard mods (shunting etc) and that's fine, I've done hardmods myself - but it is a risk. .I would never try to take the mods off if the card dies and return it to the vendor, but others do...vendors are not stupid and often catch the (former) mods, but in other cases they just replace the card. Ultimately, the RMA cost is added to next year's pricing by the vendors, again as a percentage, so the higher the price of the ueber models, the higher the RMA 'premium' will be. If mining slows down sharply, I do expect GPU prices to flatten if not sink a bit, but the other factors at play will continue to beset the markets for a while, IMO...

...the sooner the better ! Yummy:

...once I though I was wrong, but I was mistaken ? We are living in amazing times - I bet people will even buy the 2060 and 1050 ti at inflated prices...

...you could have had a $5 GPU block from Banggood.com, you know...

Yeah - this was absolute worst-case scenario, the Outer Limits, so to speak...'regular' FS2020 activity should be considerably less

@Laithan ...further to your query above re. bandwidth and related, I just did a fresh 'max' run to log server download speed and amount. I strongly stress that this was max max max everything...4K Ultra/everything on full...new (non-cached) busy landscape via Osaka and surrounds, flying a jet at over 640 knots as low as 350 feet (probably going to get a ticket for that ?...) and as high as 5,000 feet, thus maximizing the requested downloads. Regular 4K play will obviously less in terms of overall downloads from the Microsoft Azure server network. I ran this test for exactly 5 minutes, and had reset HWInfo to '0' before the start...nothing else was running:

..when you're ready...these monsters (aka FS2020 and Cyberpunk 2077) are not going away anytime soon...feel free to post setup questions here if you don't already know the answers anyway, Your 5950X w/ 64GB should come in very handy, on top of the 3090 EKWB ! ? No question, the best deal and my preferred use for FS2020 is the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick...it's Win 10 ready (just plug it in) and off you go. Retails for around US$ 35 - US$ 45 <> if you can find one...like so many other computer parts' actual availability, these days are crazy. I have had two of the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joysticks for years - one wireless and one via USB (I prefer the latter). FYI, there are some much more expensive Flight-yokes out there - some with pedals - almost like a real plane control setup. If you really get into FS2020 big time (caution: can be addictive !), that would be s.th. to consider as well for down the line. The Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick however has a much broader use case, I also use it for car racing and other apps.

...stay speechless ! ? :

...may be they're trying to compete with....also, if you need a new PSU. here are some 'ideas' ??

...still, a big upgrade from the 980 Strix, though. Besides, when a 3080 or even 3090 does come up someplace else, you can always sell the 3070, probably at cost+ in the next little while. BTW, I have several GTX 980 Cls and still like those GPUs...two of them in SLI are doing daily basic PC duty and some retro 1080p gaming

...the overall state of the consumer end (as opposed to enterprise) is pretty disgusting right now, not only for GPUs...also for certain mobos, CPUs etc etc, at least in North America. Whether it is mining, Covid-19 related work-and-play more from home, trade war impacts, capacity limits at the few top end foundries or all of the above, I have never seen the industry like this in the decades I have been into computers.

...with 2080 Tis in SLI-CFR, I've seen between 70 fps and 80 fps quite a few times, but it depends on the scene detail and even if the texture maps are in cache (see my comment below). All that said, I'm really just shooting for as close to 60 fps as possible, given that the monitors at 4K are 60 Hz though oc'ed can reach 72 Hz. ...the 3090 system is a separate 4K build in another room, so it is not meant to replace the 2080 Ti CFR setup...and both systems are used for work and play, just different focus and apps (the ones requiring 16 GB of VRAM or more are now linked to the 3090, what with its 24 GB VRAM). In FS2020, the bigger, faster VRAM buffer might come in handy in certain circumstances, but very rarely, IMO Good point...fortunately, I'm on a fast, no-data-cap connection anyway. Still, I have established a 200 GB local cache (copied over now, so both systems have it)...that in turn reduces the need to constantly pull the maps from the network (as long as the maps are in the cache in the first place via prior flights). A big cache also tends to increase fps if you fly over 'familiar' territory. I'll make a point to measure the Mbps on a new non-cached area flight with HWInfo in the near future to confirm...but I recall seeing 73 Mbps in an earlier HWInfo monitoring of FS2020...

...first run w/ the Strix 3090 OC...real weather data, snow day... very comparable performance to the 2x 2080 Ti system after some rudimentary comparisons...more to come on fps etc soon

I'm definitely planning on VR for both FS2020 and also hopefully for Cyberpunk 2077 - right now, I'm either using FS2020 on a 40 inch 4K monitor about 4 feet away, or a 55 inch 4K about 7 feet away...pretty immersive already - I can even get a funny vertigo feeling flying down the side of a steep mountain real fast ??, or get claustrophobic in a dark snowy city canyon Honestly, I would just make up my mind and shortlist the vendors and models I would like re. 3080 Tis, and than just keep your eyes open, especially outside the super big box stores... ...when I ran across the 3090 last week, I didn't go to the computer store (part of a medium chain, with local outlets in major Canadian centers) to buy a GPU...I just went there for value packs of Arctic P12 pwm pst...but there it was, one single 3090, and a Strix OC no less, at a great price which had just come in. The Strix was one of three on my list from last fall (w/ some intermittent availability and price checking), so when I ran across it unexpectedly, bingo.

...as mentioned in another post, I just saw 2x FTW3 Ultras go up for sale at a place nearby (converted to US currency around $1960 per/ no tariff here). Ahem, just checked and now they're gone...45 min later, w/limit of one per customer. Are you looking for AMD Big Navi or Ampere (3070 to 3090) ? There seems to be a 'slightly faster slow trickle' of 3090s coming in as of late, at least where I live (Canada's W.Coast).

Which VR set are you using ?

...picked up an Asus Strix 3090 OC last week (chance encounter at a great price)...just finished the base benchmarking and also loading of FS2020, including my precious 200GB rolling cache, in a fresh build for a secondary 4K station. Hopefully soon, I find a bit of time to pit 2x 2080 TIs in SLI-CFR against one Strix 3090 OC...early, simple tests suggest that it won't be a one-sided affair... Now we just need to get @ENTERPRISE to finish his new 3090 build and come and play FS2020 and add some high-speed, low altitude fly-bys...then he can go to 'relax' at CP2077 Night city...steal a car, get shot at, hang out in grimy bars and swanky Arasaka HQs...so relaxing, especially with RTX 'Psycho' level...

Good advice on the offline wallet and Coinbase.

...just got to keep an eye out continuously once you define three or four models of the Ampere you like to get. Per below, I just saw two FTW3 Ultras pop up on a trusted online-site, and that affiliated store branch about 20km from here. I am sure they will be gone in a few hrs (I don't need a 2nd 3090 anyhow)...also note their sidebar about not taking online back orders, and of course the price is Can $...the point though is to start looking beyond just the big-box stores if you can. ...none of that changes the overall crazy market conditions and the frustrations. I have been looking for a certain X570 mobo and a 59xx for a while now, no cigar other than lunatic scalper stuff. I do have an unused and full-featured TR4 X399 board laying around and I wonder if I should just pick up another 2950X...not the most current CPU but the one I already have is a superb, fast setup, what with UMA, NUMA and a great IMC. I was going to wait for the next-gen TR based on Zen 3, but those too will be picked up and picked clean by miners and scalpers, I'm sure...never mind production capacity limits at TSMC

...buy low, sell high is my tip ?

...I am indeed happy for the 2x 2080 Ti SLI-CFR in FS2020, though I'm completely switching to 4K here, so a second system just got a 3090 for everything, including FS2020 (comparison soon with 2x 2080 Tis in the primary system in the FS2020 thread). Both sets are also used for productivity, btw. All but one app / sim / game I do regularly still support SLI (about half of which even SLI-CFR), but there is no doubt that it will get increasingly difficult as newer drivers come out w/patches etc. which you can't use. NVInspector also helps a lot re. finding custom SLI solutions as many games have a 'root' code that goes back to earlier, happier SLI days. For example, the underlying Crytek engine loves SLI +CFR. What really ticks me off : a.) SLI-CFR, undocumented as it was and likely just a precursor / dev tool for upcoming mGPU, showed just how well SLI can work...CFR doesn't really do micro-stutter for example. CFR is sometimes faster, sometimes slower than regular SLI (AFR), but overall, it really showed what 'could have been' with your existing hardware. b.) With that in mind, it's disgusting that NVidia simply turned off CFR again right before Ampere launched, never mind shifting SLI support out of their dev realm - yet as we all know, if you want to play a demanding 4K Ultra title at decent frame rates (and/ or with ray tracing and DLSS), you need to get a top-of-the line GPU, <>> ...only you can't even buy one most of the time now, unless you either pay scalper prices, or get just plain lucky...

Fortunately, I bumbled into an opportunity re. the Strix 3090 oc when I was even trying or signed up for one...right time, right place, right (short) window of opportunity, at a great price, no less...about C$ 1,500 '''cheaper''' than elsewhere. But that doesn't make regular hardware planning for smaller businesses and work-from-home folks (never mind gamers) any easier with this crazy market....bumbling =/= good capital stock planning...