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...our national retailer actually has a '''flood''' of 3090s in today (for a few moments ?) ...a total of about 11 units spread across three models (not one of which I like) available not online, but only in stores that are physically spread apart by over 4300km (driving in the Canadian winter). I'll get right on that ? ..cue 'Radar love'

...fortunately, we have enough toilet paper and reasonably modern GPUs to last the year in our household (not that the two are interchangeable) ? Clearly, the mess in the semiconductor industry and its supply lines is not only affecting our beloved gaming and productivity GPUs/CPUs...

Nice ! I hope tests will also show a.) Threadripper temp test data (say w/ a 24c/48t or higher) and b.) RAM / PCIe slot clearance with different combos

There are likely bigger overarching trends at play, IMO. But Google as the biggest fish (and by extension other giants in the digital field) knows not only from the French action, but also the attempted Australian move and the October / 2020 lawsuit by the US Department of Justice re. its alleged antitrust behaviour in 'Search' that we're entering the Standard Oil / Sherman act break-up zone. Any nibbling away by individual countries or trade blocks at its near-monopoly power is viewed as part of this trend. Google's 'Search' pages, at least in my country, not only include 'News' options but with it the news intro summaries and excerpts produced and paid for by publishing houses. My background is economics and computing, not law, and I don't know too much about the legal specifics of the Australian case, but Google clearly seems to employ its monopoly powers in 'News' as well. In essence, it has become the kiosk to browse the headlines of various offerings, such as those 'analog world' kiosks found in Paris, NY, London etc. with the newspapers and magazines aligned to show headlines and summary text the publishers arranged and paid for. Finally, Google's threat response itself re. suspension of Search in Australia if the News segment is touched makes that connection...with Standard Oil it was also about horizontal and vertical integration.

...well, NVidia finally went from 'GTX' to 'RTX' for a variety of reasons, so may be AMD feels like changing the name, or at least part of the nomenclature, is a good thing. On the other hand, they may keep the 'Radeon' name for entry-level to mid-level GPUs and go 'upmarket ($)' with a new label, sort of like Toyota and Lexus. One thing is for sure, counting out all those bills for your next-gen GPU could give you 'rhemourse'...

Up here in the Great White North, prices for RTX 3090s and/or AMD 6900 XT aren't actually too bad (depending if the maker imports them directly into Canada from Asia = no-tariff, or via the US = tariff) but it's just a trickle, just a handful of cards per week for a national chain. I don't see the underlying general situation improve quickly at the global level - too many factors impacting at once ?

...more and denser rumours about AMD's upcoming Navi31, including in mGPU form (2 chiplets) with the top GPU offerings, with up to 160 CUs /10240 cores...ladies & gentlemen, start your F5 key and order more PSUs, or is it going to be 'out-of-stock, out-of-stock' déjà vu all over again ? As with any rumour, don't forget the salt shaker Source

...there's always lotto, in case you want to buy a nice setup with 8 - 10x 3090s NOW... ???

As mentioned before, Europe (never mind Asia) seem to be slightly better off re. availability / pricing on RTX 3K than N America (I check N.American and European retailer sites almost every day). For now though I am really, really happy that I kept my two factory-w-cooled 2080 Tis

I am not sure if the silver coils would actually harm anything, but with modern fluids that already have all the necessary additives, I reckon silver coils are not necessary. Mayhems liquids are highly rated. I have been very happy with TT's Coolant 1000 which has anti-microbial and anti-corrosive properties and is multi-metal safe. I have used it for over seven years in various w-cooling builds. Needless to add that I stay away from fancy 'pastels' and other liquids with particulates for visual effects. One more thing: When you rebuild your loop, make sure not to touch components with your bare hands that have direct contact with the liquids later on when the loop is completed. I even wear a mask (since before, you know...) ?

...are you going to mount it on your ASRock X570 AQUA ? ? ...Caseking.de has it listed now for EURO 185; fans look like Arctic P12 ? Apart from potential clearance issues, this could be interesting in some builds. If you do get one in for testing, may be slap some Noctua Industrial 3k rpm fans on for comparison ?

...yeah, lately I've been mostly building open case systems. Noise and dust are less of an issue than I thought / feared though. Besides, you can mod to your heart's content with open cases....for example, in the TT Core P5 / TR / 2080 Tis build above, I actually stuffed 5x 360/60 rads and 4x D5s (dual loop) 'on' there > all the airflow goes from left (near a window) to right and there's so much air movement through the 'channels' that dust mostly ends up to the right of the system, not on it ? . The hard line GPU cooling tubes are actually copper. The TT Core P5 is still not the final word in 'spartan' cases, though. This aluminum contraption '''case''' weighs less than 1 1/2 pds and holds my fav old-school EATX mobo

^^Nice ! And yeah, it really depends on the use case. If your concurrent workloads aren't heavily threaded, then the 22c/44t Xeon doesn't make a lot of sense (never mind dual Xeons). BTW, I can relate re. 380W 2080 TIs - I've got two of them in my work-play hybrid and they do pull a combined 760 W (stock bios). The TR 2950X is a nice sample, all-core at 4.3 GHz / 1.3375v, and a couple of cores on non all-c have hit above 4.6 GHz. IMO, the 16c/32t 2950X is right between a gaming CPU and a full HEDT workhorse such as Xeon and Epyc. It has 'NUMA' vs 'UMA' modes which change its character, speed, latency etc. Perfect for a hybrid build:

This is about comparative data, looking at for example the 22c Xeon vs 5960X, the original CPU that was in there. The numbers I gave re. Intel are 'apples-to-apples', using the same Intel definition - see below. As to cost, our server setups include high-powered Intel and AMD HEDT. Fortunately, our energy cost here is really low (and 96% of is based on renewable)

??? TDP for the 22 core Xeon is 145 W...for 5960X 8 core it is 140 W...for TR 2950X 16 c it is 180 W...etc etc

...oh yeah, 22 core / 44 threads, 55 MB cache, AVX2 etc...? .of course, a 10c/20t 6950X unlocked 'consumer' CPU also fits

I agree - at least I like the option of running multiple PCIe 16x cards such as network cards or even quad M.2 cards, never mind SLIx2/x3/x4. The older boards with the extra PCIe slots and PEX are precious to me and I keep them around, even after their primary use-days are over. Since my retro-builds w/ the Gigabyte Z170 Force (4x PCIE 3.0 16x via PEX) and the Asus X79-E WS (2 PEX chips), I still have an unused Asus X99-E WS (2 PEX) from a past workstation build per pic below...it currently doesn't have a CPU...the 5960X that used to be in there has now moved to another setup ....thinking of searching for s.th. like a used Intel Xeon (up to E5-2699 22c for that X99-E WS mobo), but every time I check fleabay for those used Xeons, I get an uneasy feeling...

...nah, just enjoying free-roaming & refreshments in a lounge here and there, people-watching and the street-life ambiance in RTX eye-candy glory

...this might '''fit''' on a modded TT Core P5, P7 or so...I already Dremel-modded my Core P5 to accept an extra-longish eATX (MSI X399 Creation) and there's still some room at the right side, and below...just send me the Asus WERX80 (please don't forget the 3995WX TR-Pro) and I'll prove it to you ? ? I'll provide a new Dremel and cutting wheels...

...'good news' > here ...looks like TR Pros are getting out into the wild after all. Apparently, Lenovo had a time-limited exclusive in return for all the workstation app validation, but check out those other new WRX80 TR Pro mobos coming out...the Asus and perhaps the Gigabyte might also not disappoint re. bios options for, ahem, '''tuning''' ? ...what I find most interesting about the TR Pros is a.) 8 channel RAM and b.) huge range of RAM genre and up to 2 TB size...and the new boards also include U.2, 2x 10 GB Lan and other goodies such as a 'gazillion' PCIe 4, along with a stout VRM (you know, for '''tuning''' ? )

Nice ! What mobo are you going to plug that into ? Alo keep an ey on new Agesa bios by mobo manufacturers, rumour has InFin at 2000 +

...covers / "armor" are probably both metal and plastic bits...the CES '19 introduced original of this genre (afaik) was the Aorus Z390 Waterforce (pic below) which also had an option for an included 5+ GHz binned 9900K... ...as to the new Z590 mobos, also given the pricing, they still do not include enough CPU to PCIe lanes for the type of builds I usually do ? ...'HEDT or bust' at these price points

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What shocks me also are the 'rumoured' prices for these top-end Z590 mobos ! US$ 1,000 ++ ? I would rather get a mid-range X570 w/ strong VRM and RAM capabilities (including the latest Agesa improvements for IF etc) for less than half that...For US$ 1,000+, I want a top-end HEDT mobo with all the features. Prices really have gone 'nuts' for PC components lately. I am glad I upgraded my main systems two years ago...and as I use them for productivity as well, I have a brand new HEDT board and RAM 'in reserve'.

Gamers Nexus just released a vid covering the incoming WRX boards in a bit more detail...?