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1 hour ago, iamjanco said:

I searched for an aurora, but only came close to these:

 

Ahhh yes, the Aurora Strip in Seattle..........  

Oh wait, those aren't all in Seattle.  Must be something with the name then........

I'll just say this, my 7900XTX is a wonderful GPU.  I definitely have typical "brand new AMD" bugs, which I hate to admit being that I enjoy the card so much.  Their software is honestly pretty great too...........when it works.  My 6900XT doesn't have anywhere near the issues the 7900 has, so I know its a weird architecture bug of some kind I'm having.  It'd be a shame to see AMD drop out of the graphics business, they've been at it for decades.  I don't think they'll be leaving either.

They HAVE admitted recently (I think we have the article somewhere) that they were going to focus more on the midrange type cards.  They have also admitted recently to bringing back multi-GPU, to an extent.  I get the feeling they're going to release a midrange card, and use their crossfire knowledge and capabilities to make on PCB or maybe even on die multi GPU to make their higher end cards.  That's my guess.  Totally 100% my own opinion and guess on the situation.  Just seems like that might be the direction they're headed.

Saw absolutely nothing here last night.  I'll look again tonight, but yeah nothing up here in eastern WA state.

7 hours ago, The Pook said:

 

~$250 after trade in and Fi promo credit 

How are you liking Fi?  I'm curious what speeds their hotspot is, my Visible (Verizon network) works wonderful, but the 5Mbps cap on the hotspot is kinda tough.  Always on the lookout for other Verizon networks that might have a better hotspot plan.

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Sigh,

 

Leaked, leaked, leaked.... Yea, all these leaks feel purposeful. I used to get excited about upcoming releases, now they just tick me off and I find myself waiting for reviews and not wanting to read about the hype anymore. 

Of course the leaks are on purpose.  Marketing at its finest right here.  

I don't understand Intel's core and thread count stuff they've been pulling to be honest.  P and E cores, hyper threading only on part of the cores, I just can't keep up.  AMD is definitely keeping their CPU designs a lot simpler to understand anyway.  I just hope these new CPU's run better, I've been reading a lot of people having problems with the 14900's and heat.  AMD's Ryzen 7000 series runs quite warm too.  We're about at that point where something's gotta change in the manufacturing now, reaching the point of limited returns.

14 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Well in that case, I'm going to suggest you do it properly with a Blitz kit @pio.

So hooking it up with an intake hose with a funnel, directly off the tap isn't gonna work?  

Where I'm sitting at right now about to pull the trigger:

edit - dp - please remove

6 hours ago, Fluxmaven said:

 

I have met him, and while he is a pretty shady character, he's right about Blitz. I've used it many times and also recommended it many times 

 

Blitz just takes the guesswork out. You can do the same thing with a bit of vinegar (diluted with distilled)... Flush, then use a bit of baking soda with distilled to bring the PH balance back in line. Usually aiming for around 6-8. Blitz kit comes with basic PH test strips and a chart to determine the value. I'm sure you can get the same thing in the pool aisle at Ace hardware.

 

@pio take one of those fittings to the hardware store and see what size tubing they fit. I had dumped all of those fittings from the boxes into my fittings bin and just grabbed 6 of the same size so IDK if what's printed on the box is the actual size of them. They should be either 10/16mm (3/8" ID, 5/8" OD) or 12/16mm (7/16" ID, 5/8" OD). 

 

In hindsight, to make this all a bit more easy to figure out and budget friendly for expanding the loop, probably should have just went old school with barbs and clamps. I doubt Ace will have EPDM tubing in an appropriate size. Likely it will just be some clear PVC tubing. All of which will get cloudy over time, but it's cheap so you just swap it out every once in a while. 

 

 

I have a set of calipers here, I can just measure the fittings I have on hand.   I'm PRETTY SURE they're 3/8 ID / 5/8 OD, but I'll double check the measurement before ordering.  Just going to order 9x more fittings that look close enough to these ones, that'll fit the 2x Y splitters (3x each), and the fill and drain ports (last one is for the funnel fill tube).  I have EXACTLY enough fittings as is to fit everything else (CPU block, rad, res).  This is just simply because I'm trying to go above and beyond on this loop with the fill / drain ports that I need more.

I think because of where these parts all came from, just a simple hot water sink cleaning should be sufficient, and then rinse with distilled.  So I'm not AS worried about that anymore.  Also, as I said last post, I need to fabricate a hose with a fitting on the end, and a funnel on the other anyway for filling it.  I'll just hook the kitchen sink up with that.

10 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Tyson A-60-G is literally just industrial tubing. I imagine you might be able to find a more generic, less expensive EPDM style from a local hardware store, so it's worth a look. And such a tubing would be easily maintainable. I don't know if Ace actually does, I'm just suggesting you take a look though if the goal is "cheap" and "lots".

 

Yeah I've never used car antifreeze and distilled water, so don't really know the "right" ratio. I imagine a 25/75 or even 80/20 would be fine. You don't want too much glycol in there to slow the flow rate.

 

Faucet attachment? Probably, nothing I know about unfortunately.

 

Y splitters can either be an actual Y-splitter or something as generic as a block with three G1/4 opening such as this:

Alphacool G1/4 Round TEE Connection Terminal - Black (17030) ModMyMods.com - PC Watercooling Parts and Accessories

MODMYMODS.COM

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Alphacools's fittings go new ways in looks, quality of manufacturing, colours and choice. The inner diameter of these fittings truly deserves the „high flow“ attribute! The first three colours, Chrome, Deep Black...

 

 

Or you can do more traditional actual Y-fittings such as this:

Alphacool G1/4 Revolvable 45° Y-Connector - G1/4 - Black (17063) ModMyMods.com - PC Watercooling Parts and Accessories

MODMYMODS.COM

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Alphacools's fittings go new ways in looks, quality of manufacturing, colours and choice. The inner diameter of these fittings truly deserves the „high flow“ attribute! The first three colours, Chrome, Deep Black...

Alphacool G1/4 Revolvable Y-Connector - Black (17066) ModMyMods.com - PC Watercooling Parts and Accessories

MODMYMODS.COM

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Alphacools's fittings go new ways in looks, quality of manufacturing, colours and choice. The inner diameter of these fittings truly deserves the „high flow“ attribute! The first three colours, Chrome, Deep Black...

 

With either style, yes you'd need 6 compression fittings.

 

You know what, I forgot all about mod my mods.  I just put everything I need in the cart, and I'm at like $90.  Very not bad.  I'll re-measure what I have here, make sure I"m picking up the right stuff as far as sizes and looks go so it all matches.  Those AlphaCool small 3 way "generic block with G1/4 openings" I think match something I have, so I'll pick those up (and I like that they're smaller and cheaper).

 

9 hours ago, damric said:

I'm curious as to why use y-splitters?

Because I'm putting in a fill and drain port in the loop.  Due to space, I only have 2 ports available on the res, also I cannot GET to the res fill port.  So was going to Y it right behind the res between it and CPU, and run a line up to the top for a fill port, keep the water level higher than the res, and it should fill up.  Same thing for drain port, figured if I was going to that extreme to fill it, might as well plumb in a drain port.

8 hours ago, Slaughtahouse said:

Different automotive antifreezes have different inhibitors for specific components in a vehicle. Some of them are too harsh for different tubing types. For the context of the build (budget, FX build) I don't think it matters all that much. 80/20 (4:1 ratio) is probably a safe min. 50/50 (1:1 ratio) is max. Goal of using antifreeze in a PC is to prevent mixed metals from going into galvanic corrosion mode. Unless you're running this loop outside, sub-ambient temps, you'll be fine with the min. Just cross check what tubing you're using first IMO. 

 

I've had a bad experience with an ethylene glycol (primary additive is most automotive coolants) that wrecked my clear XSPC tubing. Went green, nasty etc. No overall net impact to performance and blocks were by and large, fine. No major clogs. More context can be found here if you want to go down the rabbit hole: https://www.overclock.net/threads/what-is-plasticizer.1380775/  Really wont matter if you use EPDM tubing or something like Primochill Advance LRT tubing. Which is why most enthusiasts who water cool just fast forward to EPDM. Low maintenance. 

 

Honestly, for this build, I wouldn't overthink it.

 

Cleaning it: Many guides out there. IMO doesn't really matter how you clean it, just do it well, especially radiators, and then finish with distilled to minimize any microbials sitting in the loop. The more acidic the cleaning solution, the more harsh it can be on the finish of a block, like nickel plated. I usually just do hot tap water and dish soap. Some rads will be dirtier than others. https://www.titanrig.com/blog/post/how-to-flush-a-pc-radiator#:~:text=Plug the radiator's ports and,will be ready for service. If you want to go more in-depth, there is Mayhem Blitz. Never tried it but I'm not sure how many water cooling threads ive responded to in my history, but most of the time Sir Beregond has responded before me, and he's recommended Blitz in the past many, many times. I trust the guy, even if I've never met him XD so I'm sure its good alternative if you want to spend money. 

 

 

I think I'm sold on just running the sink through it, I'll have to assemble a hose with a funnel and G1/4 fitting at the end anyway to go into the fill port.  So why not just screw that into the rad, and double check it!   

Noted about EDPM.  Will make sure that's what I order.  I need to order some RC race car parts too......  

8 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Most premix PC coolants use glycol, so yes car antifreeze is fine, but you definitely want to dilute it with distilled water.

 

If you want to clean it properly, get a Mayhems Blitz Pro kit (contains part 1 and part 2 cleaners). Part 1 is used specifically to clean the radiators. Part 2 is then used for the whole loop. Just follow the directions.

 

If you want to just cheap man clean everything then hook it all up to a running faucet and let it flush overnight. Then flush with distilled water.

 

Tubing? Maybe go to your local Ace Hardware or Home Depot or similar and look for industrial tubing of the EPDM/norprene style.

 

Y splitters? Get those anywhere, don't really need anything special there. Question will be what style you want? Do you want the splitters to have its own barbs that the tubing fits over and you just zip tie it secure? Do you want something that regular G1/4 compression fittings screw into that the tubing can attach to?

I planned on dilutting the antifreeze with water, yes.  I have "pure" antifreeze, non mixed.  So obviously I need to mix it 50/50 for my car (bought 2 gallons, for car + PC combined).  The mixture for the PC however, I'm unsure of.  I don't think I'd need a 50/50 mix in a PC, maybe 25/75?

I'm cool with "man cleaning".  Is there a cheap attachment somewhere for the sink faucet?  Budget is definitely king here, this is all going in an old, unloved FX build.

Y splitters - I'd prefer to use proper fittings so everything looks similar.  I've got "EK Quantum Torque" fittings right now, but only enough for the main loop (no drain / fill ports).  So I'd need to pickup 6 more fittings I believe for the two Y splits?  I think that was what I came up with.

Ace sells appropriate tubing?  Ace is literally in my backyard..........

Alright, so a few of you guys have sent me some stuff for water loops (ty ty ty to those who helped btw).  I'm SUPER excited to get this going........

Question though.......I need a few parts, can anybody help me deal shop?

I need:
2x tubing Y splitters
Tubing (lots, going for an external rad)
Fill and drain ports

I want budget, I want to do this like a junkyard car build, find stuff for cheap or MacGyver something.  I also don't want it to be "wrong" either (use the wrong tubing and it corrodes or something stupid).

Also - I have car antifreeze to use.  Is that okay?

Another question too - How do I clean this all up before I install it?  And is car antifreeze okay to use in a PC loop?

HELP??????  

14 hours ago, schuck6566 said:

Wait,you want the PEOPLE at the game companies to do the work? The ones at Bungie can't even manage regular server maint without having something in the game get broken,and these are the people you expect to monitor the game LIVE?

No.............

I want the people who play and own the games to do the work, like it used to be (which worked for many many years).   Dedicated servers like source engine or COD4, where the gamers run the servers.

1 hour ago, GanjaSMK said:

In the same vein and out of pure curiosity because I too believe we're venturing farther and further into the digital abyss..... 

 

What is a good anti-cheat solution, for modern day deployment?

 

Seeing how rampant cheating has been across multitudes of games/platforms it does affect those of us who choose to play... without digital cheating aid. 

A lot of GoG titles don't seem to have this cheating issue.........

Granted, they're not major social networking games like LoL or Fortnite, or whatever popular garbage of today either.

I have zero problems just doing away with "anti-cheat" software all together.  Get us back to dedicated servers, where server admins can just kick or ban cheating players, problem solved.  Put the power of anti cheat BACK into the player's hands.  My opinion anyway, since cheaters will always cheat, hackers will always hack.  Obviously these software solutions aren't working, and neither is DRM.

6 minutes ago, Odyn said:

budget, mainly lol. If I were to do something like that I'd *HAVE* to have 120hz good looking panels. Now that I think about it ... i do tend to get headaches below 75-90hz depending on the light source. 

Maybe I should just do a 2x2 stack of 4k 120hz monitors and be done. I'm stuck in decision paralysis. 

I've seen a LOT of people run the triple bottom + top monitor option on the battlestation threads and whatnot.  It's a popular choice and kinda makes sense.  I'm just trying to think of it from a practicality perspective.  If I've already got 3 monitors lined up and I'm wanting to play a driving or flight game, I'd absolutely want Eyefinity / Surround on.  Shooters, personally I'd want single monitor a lot of the times due to HUD problems.  So that's why I was saying that, because that's what I personally would want out of my monitor setup (which I'm wanting to ditch my ultrawide for eyefinity again ).

I get the concern about going below 120Hz, that's why I went Ultrawide this go around was to try out higher refresh rates.  My old Eyefinity was all 60Hz IPS.

And yup, budget is exactly the reason I'm still stuck on this 49" Ultrawide.    Buying 3x nicer 4k, 120Hz panels gets spendy quickly.

11 minutes ago, Odyn said:

Yeah definitely overthinking it. Have you done a 3x4k nvidia surround before? Seems like my card will be screaming murder. IIRC I get headaches at anything lower than 90hz-ish. 

No, but I used to run Eyefinity from 2007 till about 2017, and then 5120x1440 @ 120Hz (32:9 ultrawide) from 2020 till now.  I use Radeon cards at the moment, but same idea.  My current monitor is ROUGHLY equivalent to two 27" 1440p / 120Hz panels.

Your 3090 will do OLDER titles fine with surround.  No problem at all.  More modern like 2020 and newer titles, you'll probably struggle.  That's why I said just leave it open as an OPTION by having the 3 monitors match.  You don't HAVE to use Surround, but if you're going for that style monitor setup anyway........why not allow yourself the option to use it if you want to?

You're over thinking it.  The max resolutions and whatnot, reported by your GPU manufacturer, are for each monitor, not the entire array.  You're good to go, outside of GPU horsepower at that res.  I think you're going to find a 3090 a tad anemic for that resolution with any sort of 3d loads like gaming.  All depends on what you're doing though.

Personally, I'd suggest the 3x bottom monitors all matching if you can.  That way you can turn on "Nvidia Surround" on games that you want to use it on (and still retain that top monitor function as a secondary).

On 27/04/2024 at 10:56, ENTERPRISE said:

Discussion forums have a hard time of it these days with the growth of social media services but it is my firm opinion that forums/sites are still THE staple of quality information on the internet.

QFT.  

I've got a basic model Vizio 4k, HDR, 70" LED tv myself.  No problems to report, picture quality is great from what I can tell.  Have you tried just going to a local Best Buy or something and taking a look at what they have in person?  I tend to prioritize sound quality over picture quality though myself.

17 hours ago, GanjaSMK said:

 

Are we bringing Ventrilo back? LOL.... 

 

IRC -> Vent -> TSPK -> DISC 

 

Oh how the world turns.... 

 

 

I actually would love nothing more than to see dedicated server options return, and yes that's for our voice comms too.

Only EK product I've used in recent years was an AIO I won during an early foldathon here at EHW, like in 2020 or 21 or so.  I appreciate the gift from a folding event, but yeah.......the EK Basic 240 is already failing and its seen less than a year's (actual) use.  If anything, I'd say that AIO has probably 6 months worth of actual usage on it, if that.  And its already failed.  It honestly was probably beaten by air coolers from the factory, my 5800x never did run correctly with that AIO on it.

For out of the box parts, I'd trust an aliexpress cheapo knockoff air cooler LONG before I'd put anything modern EK in my system again.

1 minute ago, GanjaSMK said:

I love IRC. I believe that if the iphone hadn't been created mid 2000's that IRC might still be popular today... 

 

I mean, coming from ICQ, AIM, etc... i yearn for the old style BBS messaging systems. Kinda like answering machines. 

 

Oh, you called? Must've missed it. Oh, you texted? Sorry, forgot my phone has been on permanent DND because while I love connecting via voice and text with family and friends, I'm tired of being called by robots, spammers, scammers, and polling bureaus. 

 

I'm not asking for 1988 and Gremlins back.. but... I think it's still fine not knowing where people are 24/7. Or getting ahold of them.

 

SLOW DOWN EVERYONE. THE SUN STILL COMES UP EVERY DAY. 

 

for now... 

I still have a dumb phone.  Only changed from it last year to a Pixel 4xl.  Kind of thinking of going back to the dumb phone, I literally don't even use the smart phone lol.  It's connected to my router as a backup internet source, that's about it.  I get phone calls sometimes.  I can do the same things with a dumb phone.    I might pop my sim card into my dumb phone again.  Sigh.

8 hours ago, GanjaSMK said:

a return to IRC ?! color me in... 

 

Nothing would please me more.  Maybe just adding a simple old school teamspeak server with the IRC for chat.   

Actually yes please, could we all switch back to that instead of discord?  

Oh no.  This is about to get very spicy very quickly.