Project Ravens' Nest

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Wow, you sprung for a 4090 eh? Really impressive clock for air. I wonder what you can get out of it with waterblock. I heard unlike the 30-series which was power limited that these cards are more voltage limited.

  

...as mentioned before, I was going to wait a bit, but then it kind of fell into my lap. Still looking to find out more about AMD's RDNA 3x, but I definitely wanted a fast card with the full NV DLSS 3 ('full' because there appear to be some hacked versions out there for RTX2K/3K, but w/o the extra specific cores / hardware in the 4090). That 48 inch OLED can go up to 4K/120, so one thing led to another...

[J7SC_Orion]

...the behemoth air-cooler on my Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC is good for normal apps &  gaming, but it needs water-cooling for extended benching sessions ! ...continuously bumping into max Hotspot temps before my known max clocks at 1.1V (> 3100 MHz). I did not use the 'full power' option in the NV tab yet for benching and let it downclock instead since Hotspot temps are the issue. VRAM at +1404 seems to be the most 'efficient'.

 

Once w-cooled, I'll try 'full power'. 5950X is ok for Port Royal, but DDR5 and IPC improvements would help.  4090 water-block first though for the existing loop - it's a must.

 

@Storm-Chaser ...did a 3DM Speedway (below) for the first time today, is that what you were referring to ? 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Storm-Chaser]

On 17/10/2022 at 02:09, J7SC_Orion said:

...the behemoth air-cooler on my Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC is good for normal apps &  gaming, but it needs water-cooling for extended benching sessions ! ...continuously bumping into max Hotspot temps before my known max clocks at 1.1V (> 3100 MHz). I did not use the 'full power' option in the NV tab yet for benching and let it downclock instead since Hotspot temps are the issue. VRAM at +1404 seems to be the most 'efficient'.

 

Once w-cooled, I'll try 'full power'. 5950X is ok for Port Royal, but DDR5 and IPC improvements would help.  4090 water-block first though for the existing loop - it's a must.

 

@Storm-Chaser ...did a 3DM Speedway (below) for the first time today, is that what you were referring to ? 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, correct, its the newest GPU benchmark by 3D Mark. We only have one 4090 submission so far, and I've listed his score and clocks below for reference. Looks like you are well on your way to beating this high score considering you are still on air and it appears he must be on chilled water or something like that. 

 

But man, good call on that GPU! That 4090 is a BEAST! They make the 3090 look like a Matrox Millennium MGA 

 

 

 

 

Link to the comp can be found here:

 

Just a moment...

WWW.OVERCLOCK.NET

Edited October 20, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[J7SC_Orion]

I put together a brief summary of the 4090 experience so far > here.  

 

For the Ravens' builds, soon there will ensue a game of musical chairs between GPUs and mobos - once I got a full custom water-block for the 4090 Gaming OC. The air cooler can't keep up beyond 500 W (ok though at below that), and hotspot temps just go too high to sustain the clocks it can run at lighter loads on air.

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

Time to update to an Intel J, I'm looking at 14k plus CPU score in TS extreme
Just kidding, we talked about it and you really don't need it (or do you?)..
I can't wait for your 4090 to be under water to see if that's the way to go. And please, be careful with the 12vhpwr connector

[J7SC_Orion]

5 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Time to update to an Intel J, I'm looking at 14k plus CPU score in TS extreme
Just kidding, we talked about it and you really don't need it (or do you?)..
I can't wait for your 4090 to be under water to see if that's the way to go. And please, be careful with the 12vhpwr connector

 

...amazing how quickly things change, or at least perception of things  - my 5950X is still good enough and in TSEX, the fastest combo w/4090 at 3DM.

 

That is not to say that I have not thought about, say, a 13600K or 13700K as an intermediate solution, but it is simply too late to get into LG 1700 now. Besides, I hear that the real fireworks will start with Intel's Meteor Lake (LG 1800 ?). Then there are rumours of AMD getting ready to fight back with updated 79xx (3DV?) AM5s. Those exist already, but that doesn't mean that they'll get released to market (yet, or at all). Case in point is SkatterBencher's vid below on the AMD 5990X (4x 5950X in a TR package, non-pro, overclockable). Since AMD's desktop (not their TR) sockets last a lot longer than Intel's shenanigans around 'socket games', if anything, I would consider an AM5...

 

The Ravens' two CH8s (Asus Hero, Dark Hero) were the first non-HEDT systems I build in about 8 years or so - I usually recycle these setups into work-related builds once they have been 'thoroughly tested' (if you know what I mean ), so there are plenty of rumours now about new TRs and also new Intel HEDTs coming.  HEDT typically offers up to 7x PCIe 16 which helps in post-fun-now-work setups that carry additional PCIe cards, and also double or more of the memory channels. Then again, X570, LG1700++ certainly offer enough cores and RAM for workstations and light server duty, and the built-in 10G and PCIe 4,5 multiple drives are already near HEDT territory - just get the more reliable enterprise drives to add, ie. U.x drives connected through adapters to the mobo M.2 slots. What many folks don't know is that workstation / enterprise mobos are usually not as robust around some components as top-of-line gamer boards (VRM for example) as they're meant to sit in 130 dB air streams...

 

...speaking of air streams...air-cooled, fans on 100%, and only a light 3D load to keep temps in check...

 

Anyway, first things first: Water-block for the 4090 ! Finally, let's both be careful with those dongled 12vhpwr connectors - fortunately, Seasonic offers free upgrades (and also for sale) of the single-strand 12vhpwr for my PX1300s 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[J7SC_Orion]

...have been prepping the RTX 4090 for water-cooling as all the parts and peripherals have arrived. In the meantime, I've been tuning the 5950X as I discovered a few more secret sauce ingredients .

 

RAM is now at > 3800 and 14-13-13-13. @Bastiaan_NL, I've got a screenshot of one core actually peaking at > 5.7 GHz (on water, stock CPU voltages, same as below), though that was more or less accidentally...I am still debating whether to keep this as the primary play setup or move to a different platform...I wish AM5 would have a better DDR5 memory controller (or get on with it and release a 7950X3D).

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

Hardware is moving really fast at the moment, or at least it feels like it, so if you keep waiting on the next gen because it will be a lot faster you'll keep waiting until the end of times. 
I know what you mean, that it might be a bit late for LGA1700 but it'll last you a long time if you upgrade. Do you need it? Not at all. With those single core clock speeds you are getting out of the 5950X and the high all core clocks you are still good for a long time, depending on how crazy high your FS settings are  

 

As far as the 12VHPWR connector goes, I've got one from ElmorLabs which I can hook up to the PMD so I can keep an eye on the power draw once I buy a 4090 for myself. A HOF card would be nice, but I doubt I'll like the price tag...
Seeing der8auer's video with the EVC2 hooked up to his ASUS 4090 drawing over 800W, using some chilled water or colder would be a better idea. Keeping it cool will be a hard task.

 

When I saw the first results from those AM5 chips I was convinced I would go AMD this time, but the 13th gen has been great so far (besides a few hickups). 
I'm still not blown away by the memory clocks and timings I see on AM5, not worth it for me as long as I can't get those clocks up and still maintain a high IF clock etc.

The X3D will be interesting, I hope for the sake of everyone it'll perform really good so Intel has some competition.

 

The Port Royal hall of fame and me are waiting on your 4090 WC results.. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

48 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Hardware is moving really fast at the moment, or at least it feels like it, so if you keep waiting on the next gen because it will be a lot faster you'll keep waiting until the end of times. 
I know what you mean, that it might be a bit late for LGA1700 but it'll last you a long time if you upgrade. Do you need it? Not at all. With those single core clock speeds you are getting out of the 5950X and the high all core clocks you are still good for a long time, depending on how crazy high your FS settings are  

 

As far as the 12VHPWR connector goes, I've got one from ElmorLabs which I can hook up to the PMD so I can keep an eye on the power draw once I buy a 4090 for myself. A HOF card would be nice, but I doubt I'll like the price tag...
Seeing der8auer's video with the EVC2 hooked up to his ASUS 4090 drawing over 800W, using some chilled water or colder would be a better idea. Keeping it cool will be a hard task.

 

When I saw the first results from those AM5 chips I was convinced I would go AMD this time, but the 13th gen has been great so far (besides a few hickups). 
I'm still not blown away by the memory clocks and timings I see on AM5, not worth it for me as long as I can't get those clocks up and still maintain a high IF clock etc.

The X3D will be interesting, I hope for the sake of everyone it'll perform really good so Intel has some competition.

 

The Port Royal hall of fame and me are waiting on your 4090 WC results.. 

 

...haven't subbed some of it yet; just doing heat-cycling at 25 C ambient in the room after finishing the water-block install today (per below, tubing and wiring needs to be cleaned up)...may be next week I turn the heat off for a bit and make everybody here freeze at night 

 

Also looking forward to your new GPU's results !

 

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

The one I had was only here for a few days to play around with. Given it had a 450w locked limit (inno3d) I couldn't do a lot of crazy things. 

Still great performance compared to the 3090 or a 2080Ti which my brother has now, as he's the new owner of that card and he doesn't overclock his hardware. 

  

 

 

The card really needs that 600W to keep those clocks over 3ghz, or even higher, as this one runs at an average of a little over 2900mhz under load at an even 450W. 

 

It is around 16°C in the house over here, unless the sun heats up the house. I like it like that, but when I'm benching it can go down to 10°C in the hardware room/office

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

The one I had was only here for a few days to play around with. Given it had a 450w locked limit (inno3d) I couldn't do a lot of crazy things. 

Still great performance compared to the 3090 or a 2080Ti which my brother has now, as he's the new owner of that card and he doesn't overclock his hardware. 

  

 

 

The card really needs that 600W to keep those clocks over 3ghz, or even higher, as this one runs at an average of a little over 2900mhz under load at an even 450W. 

 

It is around 16°C in the house over here, unless the sun heats up the house. I like it like that, but when I'm benching it can go down to 10°C in the hardware room/office

 

 

 

I can feel your regret (if that's the right expression) for having to pass on that 4090, but there's that expected 4090 Ti for you soon 

 

...my Giga -G-OC can manage 3 GHz on 1.05 V / 450W, but once  I kick voltages to 1.1 V and PL to 133% (up to 600 W on stock vbios), it can reach far higher - below is just a heat-cycling run (from '3DM Speedway above) at 25 C room temp after installing the water-block, and it is not yet top speed...but the flatness of the clock lines is nice and courtesy of the water-block. It really needed a water-block for a variety of reasons, including some questionable factory thermal pad placement, factory TIM application and such...

 

 

But as you know, benching for me is not as serious an undertaking as it once was. The real reason I got the 4090 is for the handful of games and sims I have time for (and run at 450W max). Best example is FS 2020 and its SU 11 update from a few days ago. With everything-maxed, 4K Ultra / DLSS Quality and the RTX4K-specific 'frame insertion', I picked up around 50 extra fps...even in difficult scenes (flying low over complex metro areas), I have seen 110+ fps. This near-maxes the C1 OLED, which is what I wanted as a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. You might say the AM4/5950X is the weak link now, but with the latest NVidia driver and feature magic, it doesn't matter anymore. So now I can take a look what to upgrade to re. mobo and CPU with peace and quiet when the time comes while enjoying top graphics already on the OLED.

[J7SC_Orion]

Since I water-cooled the 4090, I am making some interesting discoveries - these cards are very different than the previous gen. For example, the GDDR6X chips really like to be cozy, probably around 45 C minimum (+-). I think I did too good a job with the thermal putty on the VRAM to get an extra 100 MHz I otherwise would. I suppose I could turn up the heat, but then the GPU core would hit a speed-bin drop...decisions, decisions.

 

Half-kidding of course as the performance leaves nothing to be desired. Below is a GPU-Z for a 4K Superposition run, not even at full tilt...VRAM wants more heat...

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[J7SC_Orion]

@Bastiaan_NL& Co - I think I figured that 4090 Gigabyte Gaming OC out...biggest issue was VRAM that was cooled too well by my thermal putty magic (stays at below 40 C w/ water block), but I found a way to raise it a few degrees relative to the GPU core before that one starts to drop speed bins. Below is sort of a collage of scores and monitoring tabs...note that the two Port Royal results in the blue box on the right don't really count (artefacts) though are tagged 'valid' by 3DM...

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

I can feel your regret (if that's the right expression) for having to pass on that 4090

A part of it is regret, but I have so much more fun with older GPU's than the newer GPU's. I recently found out what was holding me back with the 7970 and managed to clock it a lot higher. Still not where I want to be but so much fun to play with it.
 

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

But as you know, benching for me is not as serious an undertaking as it once was.

You keep saying this, but I know you still enjoy it way too much for it to be just 'fine tuning'

 

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

I picked up around 50 extra fps...even in difficult scenes

That's a big difference, and it'll make the game way more enjoyable this way!

 

On 21/11/2022 at 07:32, J7SC_Orion said:

VRAM wants more heat...

This is really interesting. I watched a few benchmark video's with LN2 on 4090's and they are all using a big heater. Now I know that it's useful to keep the condensation to a minimum but now it also serves as a memory heater to keep the clocks up. Maybe a good voltmod on the memory might help to keep the temps up

 

On 23/11/2022 at 07:39, J7SC_Orion said:

.note that the two Port Royal results in the blue box on the right don't really count (artefacts) though are tagged 'valid' by 3DM...

There is a nice discussion on HWBOT going about the artefacts in benchmarks leading to unreasonable scores which are still 'valid'.
The latest systeminfo version includes a check for ECC enabled, which will cut performance but should filter out those bugged runs. I'm still not sure what to think about it, but at least they are trying to make it fair for everyone. 

To keep the memory warmer than the core you would almost use a less efficient thermal putty cause you want the core to be as cold as possible. At least you now know what was/is holding you back.

[J7SC_Orion]

9 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

A part of it is regret, but I have so much more fun with older GPU's than the newer GPU's. I recently found out what was holding me back with the 7970 and managed to clock it a lot higher. Still not where I want to be but so much fun to play with it.
 

You keep saying this, but I know you still enjoy it way too much for it to be just 'fine tuning'

 

That's a big difference, and it'll make the game way more enjoyable this way!

 

This is really interesting. I watched a few benchmark video's with LN2 on 4090's and they are all using a big heater. Now I know that it's useful to keep the condensation to a minimum but now it also serves as a memory heater to keep the clocks up. Maybe a good voltmod on the memory might help to keep the temps up

 

There is a nice discussion on HWBOT going about the artefacts in benchmarks leading to unreasonable scores which are still 'valid'.
The latest systeminfo version includes a check for ECC enabled, which will cut performance but should filter out those bugged runs. I'm still not sure what to think about it, but at least they are trying to make it fair for everyone. 

To keep the memory warmer than the core you would almost use a less efficient thermal putty cause you want the core to be as cold as possible. At least you now know what was/is holding you back.

 

Thanks Bastiaan . Per my previous post, I have a few bugged runs w/ artefacts (marked as such) which of course I did not sub at 3DMark...I haven't even subbed the other ones yet. As to that HWBot / 3DMark ECC 'change' via Systeminfo, it is an absolute farce that makes management of both look bad, IMO, just because a few of the HWBot Elite benchers with corporate sponsorship got usurped. HWbot has had all kinds of bugged runs submitted (often by the same folks who are now complaining) for years and years. 'Special' NVInspector versions with LOD settings beyond what the normal NVI has, that sort of thing. Even recently, I have seen vids of subs by top HWBot benchers that were basically just blob shapes with no detail (3DM 06). I am glad that I don't have to put up with that anymore. As to the artefacts, sometimes you get way higher scores (examples above, marked with 'artefacts'), often though, artefacts lower the score. 

 

With the changes HWBot and 3DMark now introduces, they have skewed the whole thing re. older GPUs and subs. Good riddance...

 

On a happier note, I had a bit of time to clean up the conversion of the 3090 to the 4090 per pics below...pic quality will be improved upon !

 

 

 

...and speaking of pic quality, FS2020 w/DLSS3 maxing the C1 OLED 4K/120 

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

7 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Thanks Bastiaan . Per my previous post, I have a few bugged runs w/ artefacts (marked as such) which of course I did not sub at 3DMark...I haven't even subbed the other ones yet. As to that HWBot / 3DMark ECC 'change' via Systeminfo, it is an absolute farce that makes management of both look bad, IMO, just because a few of the HWBot Elite benchers with corporate sponsorship got usurped. HWbot has had all kinds of bugged runs submitted (often by the same folks who are now complaining) for years and years. 'Special' NVInspector versions with LOD settings beyond what the normal NVI has, that sort of thing. Even recently, I have seen vids of subs by top HWBot benchers that were basically just blob shapes with no detail (3DM 06). I am glad that I don't have to put up with that anymore. As to the artefacts, sometimes you get way higher scores (examples above, marked with 'artefacts'), often though, artefacts lower the score. 

 

With the changes HWBot and 3DMark now introduces, they have skewed the whole thing re. older GPUs and subs. Good riddance...

 

On a happier note, I had a bit of time to clean up the conversion of the 3090 to the 4090 per pics below...pic quality will be improved upon !

 

 

 

...and speaking of pic quality, FS2020 w/DLSS3 maxing the C1 OLED 4K/120 

 

I know you wouldn't sub those runs, as it makes no sense if you do not compete and probably for moral reasons too. 
As far as the 'farce' of ECC goes, I know what you mean and it's sad that measures like this are needed to keep those bugged runs out but I truly hate seeing modded or bugged runs on HWBOT (ask @Avacado).
When I see a few green lights during the whole run it's fine, but if the whole screen turns into a disco party or an artistic construction site I'll hit that ESC button as fast as possible and find a way to make it work.
Now I've had a few runs finish with artefacts and received higher scores, but it never felt right to submit those. Also, what is the point for me? I've got so much hardware that I could just grab another card which works better.
It is sad that things are going this way, but I feel like that's a natural evolution of 'good things'... 

The 4090 looks really good this way! I love the cable, it looks so much better than an extension with those 4 big connectors! As much as I hate the design of the 12VHPWR, it looks way cleaner than having 3 (or 4 as per spec) PCIE power cables sticking out of a GPU.

Picture quality is almost (if not) perfect, I had to go full screen to really enjoy it  

Edited November 25, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

19 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

I know you wouldn't sub those runs, as it makes no sence if you do not compete and probably for moral reasons too. 
As far as the 'farce' of ECC goes, I know what you mean and it's sad that measures like this are needed to keep those bugged runs out but I truly hate seeing modded or bugged runs on HWBOT (ask @Avacado).
When I see a few green lights during the whole run it's fine, but if the whole screen turns into a disco party or an artistic construction site I'll hit that ESC button as fast as possible and find a way to make it work.
Now I've had a few runs finish with artefacts and received higher scores, but it never felt right to submit those. Also, what is the point for me? I've got so much hardware that I could just grab another card which works better.
It is sad that things are going this way, but I feel like that's a natural evolution of 'good things'... 

The 4090 looks really good this way! I love the cable, it looks so much better than an extension with those 4 big connectors! As much as I hate the design of the 12VHPWR, it looks way cleaner than having 3 (or 4 as per spec) PCIE power cables sticking out of a GPU.

Picture quality is almost (if not) perfect, I had to go full screen to really enjoy it  

 

You're right insofar as it is a moral question not to sub bugged runs. That said, what about cards which don't have ECC capability (or even the toggle for ECC on/off). That includes some new models and that is the skewing of results I was referring to earlier as those can still sub bugged runs. Perhaps NVidia will fire back with driver or vbios updates, because over a 125,000 4090s have been sold so far. I am particularly incensed at the personalities involved behind all this...but enough about this farce.

 

The RTX 4090 is the first card I know of that can 'outrun' its VRAM, the latter becoming a bottleneck. Still, mine is set to 24 Gpbs / ECC now.

...yeah, the 12VHPR connector is beginning to grow on me (apart from the 4-into-1 dongle version). I received another 12VHPWR one today at no charge from Seasonic; both are 600W and thick-gauge wiring, along with strong sleeving / insulation...the Seasonic 12VHPWR is black though; for now, I am happy with the white Cablemod version...  

[J7SC_Orion]

...more FS2020 / DLSS3 / Frame Insertion, 4K Ultra / max, HDR, GSync, OLED...tastes great 

...game clocks only, ~ 25 C ambient, PL 115% (max 133%), GPUv stock (max 1.10 V)

Spoiler

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

@Bastiaan_NL ...hadn't run Fire Strike Ultra in years but gave it a shot just to check s.th.  -  managed to get 14th in 3DM HoF so far with the 'old' 5950X...but VRAM temps were too low of this older DX11 bench when compared to the also shown DX12 games with RTX/DLSS3/F.I.  ...ambient was 24 C for these samples; since I can't do much about the VRAM temps right now until I 'operate', I should probably do another Firestrike Ultra run but at 18 C or so ambient to stop the core from downclocking as it got past 43 C.

 

  

 

...some gaming fun with DLSS/3 RTX Ultra

 

 

...above the snow storm at sunrise

 

...and below the snow storm

Edited December 1, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Sir Beregond]

How have you liked DLSS3 so far? Are you finding you need it for the more demanding titles to get that 4k120 experience while other games can do it without DLSS?

Edited December 1, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[J7SC_Orion]

9 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

How have you liked DLSS3 so far? Are you finding you need it for the more demanding titles to get that 4k120 experience while other games can do it without DLSS?

 

...depends what you mean by 'need' - with GSync, the 3090 did quite well but once you start seeing 100 to 120 fps on the OLED 4K/120 with 4K ultra/DLSS3 and Frame Insertion, you want it all the time   ...a ratchet effect of sorts. 

[Sir Beregond]

32 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...depends what you mean by 'need' - with GSync, the 3090 did quite well but once you start seeing 100 to 120 fps on the OLED 4K/120 with 4K ultra/DLSS3 and Frame Insertion, you want it all the time   ...a ratchet effect of sorts. 

I was more curious the ratio of games that could natively do 4k120 without DLSS (vs 30-series) to those like CP2077 and Flight Simulator that are crazy demanding titles.

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Sir Beregond said:

I was more curious the ratio of games that could natively do 4k120 without DLSS (vs 30-series) to those like CP2077 and Flight Simulator that are crazy demanding titles.

  

...on average, I only play a handful of tiles, most of which are newer and demanding...of those, FS2020 and Cyberpunk 2077 get over half of my time budgeted for gaming. I also play F1 2021, Team 4 (motorcycles) and Forza H5, the latter though is not that 'captivating' (apart from the full-on graphics). A few older ones I've had for years such as NFS: Most Wanted run superbly well at 4K on all the GPUs I have in active use. The 4090 is for the heavy-weights. DLSS3 / F.I. has done wonderous things for FS2020 - which was not very well optimized - by offloading from the CPU. Now it is buttery-smooth 

[pio]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...on average, I only play a handful of tiles, most of which are newer and demanding...of those, FS2020 and Cyberpunk 2077 get over half of my time budgeted for gaming. I also play F1 2021, Team 4 (motorcycles) and Forza H5, the latter though is not that 'captivating' (apart from the full-on graphics). A few older ones I've had for years such as NFS: Most Wanted run superbly well at 4K on all the GPUs I have in active use. The 4090 is for the heavy-weights. DLSS3 / F.I. has done wonderous things for FS2020 - which was not very well optimized - by offloading from the CPU. Now it is buttery-smooth 

Cyberpunk 2077, and Crysis Remastered are a few of the titles I'm still holding off on because my 6900XT struggles with them at my resolution.  Good to know next gen cards are capable, even if having to use frame insertion technologies to get there.   

Looked at the pictures and stuff in the thread too, man your rig is gorgeous. 

[Sir Beregond]

12 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...on average, I only play a handful of tiles, most of which are newer and demanding...of those, FS2020 and Cyberpunk 2077 get over half of my time budgeted for gaming. I also play F1 2021, Team 4 (motorcycles) and Forza H5, the latter though is not that 'captivating' (apart from the full-on graphics). A few older ones I've had for years such as NFS: Most Wanted run superbly well at 4K on all the GPUs I have in active use. The 4090 is for the heavy-weights. DLSS3 / F.I. has done wonderous things for FS2020 - which was not very well optimized - by offloading from the CPU. Now it is buttery-smooth 

Nice! I have CP2077, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet (hasn't even been launched yet). I still need to pick up FS2020. Last Flight Simulator I had was FS2000 and then FSX lol. Been a very long time since I've played Flight Sim. I imagine my performance will be similar to your 3090 except for 12GB vs 24GB if that matters for either title.