techpowerup Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

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Microsoft Windows 11, now nearing its third month since release, is for all intents and purposes, a flop. Market research by Lansweeper, which surveyed over 10 million PCs across the commercial and personal market segments, reports that less than 0.21% of the users it surveyed, had upgraded from Windows 10 to the newer operating system. The upgrade is free of charge. There may be several factors contributing to this lukewarm market response, but one of them is certain to he the steep hardware requirements. Windows 11 requires a trusted platform module (TPM 2.0), which disqualifies PCs older than 2018 for upgrades, unless the user is willing to try out workarounds to the limitation. Another factor could be the clunky user interface (UI), a less functional Start menu than Windows 10, and several UI-related bugs.

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The adoption is less than stellar though not surprising as for the average user, Win 11 does not offer anything over Win 10. 

 

I do like Win 11 for the most part, still wish they left everything in the control panel, but that is a gripe since everything started changing after Windows 7.

[schuck6566]

They've been throwing it at me everytime I start my comp ever since I enabled the trusted computing part of the amd cpu in the bios. I figure I'll wait until they get everything smoothed out and the new drive installed at least before I upgrade.

Edited December 5, 2021 by schuck6566
added screenshot of Microsoft's offer.

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2 hours ago, schuck6566 said:

They've been throwing it at me everytime I start my comp ever since I enabled the trusted computing part of the amd cpu in the bios. I figure I'll wait until they get everything smoothed out and the new drive installed at least before I upgrade.

Ha, one solid way to stop getting bugged, disable Trusted Computing lol. 

[pio]

My Ryzen rig says its not capable of running Windows 11.  So guess I'm sitting this one out. 

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11 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

My Ryzen rig says its not capable of running Windows 11.  So guess I'm sitting this one out. 

The requirements are a joke to be honest.

[schuck6566]

16 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

My Ryzen rig says its not capable of running Windows 11.  So guess I'm sitting this one out. 

Mine did also,had to run "The Microsoft PC Health Check App (Windows 11 Compatibility Checker) allows you to check if your PC meets all the requirements needed to run the new Windows 11. If so, you can get a free upgrade when it rolls out." It was in the Windows Update section and showed that trusted computing needed to be turned on in my bios. scrn shows ryzen cpu in the system.

[Sir Beregond]

Well, pretty sure my current rig can't run it, and given the myriad issues I had when Windows 10 first came out and I upgraded my laptop, I am not an early adopter for any Windows. I'll give it a year or two. Also I'm not thrilled with some of their choices with regards to start menu and especially the taskbar.

 

Maybe by the time I get my new rig up Windows 11 will be better, but for now planning on putting 10 on it.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[J7SC_Orion]

23 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Ha, one solid way to stop getting bugged, disable Trusted Computing lol. 

 

Ha, that's exactly what I'm actually doing !

 

I find Microsoft's corporate behavior around Win 11 (and increasingly, some of their other apps) disgusting. For now, I stick with my three installs of Win 10 Pro and two running Windows 7 Pro (Win 7 still updates on major things, btw). I also used some slightly older hardware to put together extra machines for Linux and BSD because I'm really fed up with Microsoft. 

[pio]

10 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Ha, that's exactly what I'm actually doing !

 

I find Microsoft's corporate behavior around Win 11 (and increasingly, some of their other apps) disgusting. For now, I stick with my three installs of Win 10 Pro and two running Windows 7 Pro (Win 7 still updates on major things, btw). I also used some slightly older hardware to put together extra machines for Linux and BSD because I'm really fed up with Microsoft. 

Same here too.  It's looking more and more like I might switch to Linux on my main rig before I go to Windows 11.  I've gotten pretty good with Mint and Kubuntu both.  Seriously, my sig rig says its not compatible (probably because of the trusted computing thing but whatever).  That shouldn't be a requirement to run a dang OS anyway.  They allow ARM and Atom based systems to run Windows, why can't older but capable hardware run it? (Looking at my FX, Phenom II, and Phenom rigs that WOULD be powerful enough.)

And no, Windows 7 doesn't update unless you were already updated before.  If you're on an original Win7 install, no service packs or anything, seems like you're screwed (just installed 7 on a rig last night).  Either that or I'm an idiot since I haven't used 7 in years, that's always a possibility.  Needed 7 installed on my 939 rig since 10 was too heavy to run on it.

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, pioneerisloud said:

Same here too.  It's looking more and more like I might switch to Linux on my main rig before I go to Windows 11.  I've gotten pretty good with Mint and Kubuntu both.  Seriously, my sig rig says its not compatible (probably because of the trusted computing thing but whatever).  That shouldn't be a requirement to run a dang OS anyway.  They allow ARM and Atom based systems to run Windows, why can't older but capable hardware run it? (Looking at my FX, Phenom II, and Phenom rigs that WOULD be powerful enough.)

And no, Windows 7 doesn't update unless you were already updated before.  If you're on an original Win7 install, no service packs or anything, seems like you're screwed (just installed 7 on a rig last night).  Either that or I'm an idiot since I haven't used 7 in years, that's always a possibility.  Needed 7 installed on my 939 rig since 10 was too heavy to run on it.

 

...yes, the two Windows 7 were always updated (similar story for an older Win Server 2008 legacy machine here). This Win 7 Pro screenie was just taken on the machine I'm typing this on.

 

[BWG]

I run it on my 3 main pcs with 0 issues. The HDR is improved and GPU Acceleration is on by default unlike Win10. My biggest knock is the right click file menu requires more clicks to edit files or create a shortcut.

 

 

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5 hours ago, BWG said:

I run it on my 3 main pcs with 0 issues. The HDR is improved and GPU Acceleration is on by default unlike Win10. My biggest knock is the right click file menu requires more clicks to edit files or create a shortcut.

 

 

That was mine two of but you can fix that with a reg tweak. 

[J7SC_Orion]

So far, I have had only limited exposure to Windows 11, but it seems artificially differentiated to 'look and feel' different, with the result that it is more cumbersome for the user, reg tweak or not...

 

Then there's the fact that all three of my Windows 10 Pro machines are AMD Ryzen, notwithstanding that I still have more Intel CPUs than AMD. The initial Windows 11 had well-publicized problems for AMD Ryzen re. L3 cache etc. Even if they fixed it now, that tells me that things were rushed (or worse). 

 

What really bothers me though is the ever-increasing invasive big-data vacuuming the Microsoft OS do, in addition to the constant messages / resetting of default browser, and advertising on MY desktop...

 

But to each his own... I might upgrade eventually, like in 2024, after lots of patches have streamlined things 

[Snakecharmed]

4 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

So far, I have had only limited exposure to Windows 11, but it seems artificially differentiated to 'look and feel' different, with the result that it is more cumbersome for the user, reg tweak or not...

 

That's one thing that irritates me about the Windows team. Do they not do any user testing, and if they do, do they ignore the feedback and results? The complete idiocy that has been discovered since its release (Ryzen L3 cache, convoluted right-click menus, Start menu Pinned vs. Recommended balance and not collapsing Recommended if hidden, kicking the Android app integration can down the road, etc.) wouldn't be acceptable on my software development team. These clowns have not only mastered how to crater the UX but also expose the whole operation for its amateur SDLC. But congrats on re-rounding window corners after implicitly acknowledging Metro design as a failure and providing a centered taskbar that nobody really asked for but was overhyped in lieu of actual UX achievements.

 

Personally, I don't even care that much about whatever stupid busywork they do to the UI as long as the shortcut keys still work. I'm going to Rainmeter the whole damn thing anyway. They need to fix the damn UX so people stop feeling like they have to fight the OS to do what they want. This is the third major release in a row where Control Panel and Settings coexist.

 

I sort of praised Windows 11 when it first came out, mostly for cleaning up the Start menu at first glance and improving multi-monitor support. However, now that users are actually getting their hands on it and finding out that barely any thought was put into it, it's hard to comprehend how a high-profile product team can present themselves so incompetently to the general public in 2021.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Snakecharmed

[cscoder4ever]

No surprises there, Render my desktops "obsolete"? Well I can do one better.

[Alex]

I've been enjoying it a lot, especially the new UI and overhaul of settings. TPM2.0 is why they're seeing the low numbers.

[Bones]

All I can add is I'm not using it, switched to Linux when Win 10 came out and glad I did.
Thing is with the way 10 and 11 are being done you, the user will always be a BETA tester. I can't begin to count all the threads about how an update broke the machine, erased settings, changed preferences..... I mean the list goes on and on with it.

Some options you did have are no longer available like when it does updates for example, I still recall after Win 10 came out and things started breaking the guys in the IT dept where I used to work were scrambling to STOP the machines from updating because of all the issues just from it updating.
They didn't want any problems nor did they have the time to deal with those because if those machines were down, production itself was screwed until they could fix it.
Try telling the boss an update broke everything - I'm sure he'll understand (NOT) because corporate would have been after him over it.

This lack of control over one's machine (To me) was one of the big things why I ditched Windows in the first place and now with Win 11 it's even worse.
No need to go back over all the "Requirements" MS set in place for Win 11 - Not going there and frankly I don't have the $$ to buy all brandnew hardware JUST to run Win 11.
And that's not all but hey - You guys already know yourselves how the rollout went, what was said and changed, then more or less fudged right back to how they had it in the first place.

With what came to light back when Win 10 first appeared, I saw these things coming from a mile away and switched over to Linux then.
I still run Win 7 sometimes and it does just fine even now.
Win 11 from what I've seen is just a more convoluted "Cluster" of it done in the same way and that is why I'm on Linux and ain't going back.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Bones

[Sir Beregond]

On 07/12/2021 at 10:55, J7SC_Orion said:

So far, I have had only limited exposure to Windows 11, but it seems artificially differentiated to 'look and feel' different, with the result that it is more cumbersome for the user, reg tweak or not...

This summarizes my concerns entirely. Really feel like the Windows team misses the mark on this kind of stuff a lot. More clicks then before, that's a great user experience right?

Edited December 9, 2021 by Sir Beregond