Forums first comp: CPUz Benchmark

[Bones]

I guess it woudn't hurt to represent Socket 939 while I'm livestreaming tomorrow.
I'll try to remember about giving it a shot.

[pio]

2 minutes ago, Bones said:

I guess it woudn't hurt to represent Socket 939 while I'm livestreaming tomorrow.
I'll try to remember about giving it a shot.

I'm still having issues getting my Socket A rig running.

 

Got the thing to POST last weekend, but half my drives weren't showing in BIOS.  Tried futzing with the drives to get them to be recognized and now it won't POST again. -_-

[Bones]

The one I recapped for you?
That bites man - Wish I had a PSU at the time for testing and still don't ATM for anything related to that socket I can use.

[pio]

35 minutes ago, Bones said:

The one I recapped for you?
That bites man - Wish I had a PSU at the time for testing and still don't ATM for anything related to that socket I can use.

No I haven't gotten to that one yet.  This was the one that already had flat caps on it, the NF400 board with XP-2500+ in it.  I was able to install Windows and boot off a drive on it on the bench, with just the one drive connected.  It's got to be something stupid like the IDE to SATA adapters being funky or something.

[Mr. Fox]

So, I moved the 10900K I was running in my benching monster to my work system. Nice upgrade for it, too. More than enough juice for my workhorse.

 

[ArchStanton]

@Mr. Fox  Amazing.  Something with multiple pastel shades that doesn't make me want to blow chunks all over my keyboard.  Well done I say!

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, ArchStanton said:

@Mr. Fox  Amazing.  Something with multiple pastel shades that doesn't make me want to blow chunks all over my keyboard.  Well done I say!

Thanks, bro. I appreciate it. I agree with your personal preferences. I am more into the monochromatic look as opposed to an animated Neapolitan rainbow puke scheme.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Bones]

Promise kept, just not with a more modern setup.

Specs are:
CPU: Opteron 175 on chilled water for this run
Board: DFI SLI-DR
RAM: Corsair PC4400 (CL2.5-4-4-8), ran at CL2-3-3-7 @239MHz

All the rest you can see in the screenie.

[Storm-Chaser]

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I moved the 10900K I was running in my benching monster to my work system. Nice upgrade for it, too. More than enough juice for my workhorse.

 

Seems like you have a pretty good tune going on with this system.  Looks great!

 

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Give me a couple days and I'll update the leaderboard. Loving the old hardware submissions!

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Give me a couple days and I'll update the leaderboard. Loving the old hardware submissions!

Here is a new one when you get to it. 9454.4

Edited February 19, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[J7SC_Orion]

17 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Give me a couple days and I'll update the leaderboard. Loving the old hardware submissions!

 

...fyi, link to my updated scores post > here ...I just did single score updates for 3 AMDs as multis were close enough (for now )

 

 

 

After finishing a big work project, I hope to get to some retro 3770Ks builds on my list, and also a Abit IC7 Socket 478 over the next month or two.

[Storm-Chaser]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Here is a new one when you get to it. 9454.4

NICE. You leave me no choice but to put the chiller back on, can't let this go unchecked, but I'll admit right now it's going to be very difficult to beat. 

 

Pros: I have a new waterblock

Cons: It's a $14.99 water block 

[J7SC_Orion]

7 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

NICE. You leave me no choice but to put the chiller back on, can't let this go unchecked, but I'll admit right now it's going to be very difficult to beat. 

 

Pros: I have a new waterblock

Cons: It's a $14.99 water block 

 

...what you and @Mr. Fox need is a cascading phase cooler (along w/ ear plugs and a big garage)  ...this one via Hexus.net:

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...what you and @Mr. Fox need is a cascading phase cooler (along w/ ear plugs and a big garage)  ...this one via Hexus.net:

 

That is what I would *love* to have, but I am already in enough trouble with Mrs. Fox with my overclocking fetish. So, I do not know that I convince her that I "need" that, LOL.

[ArchStanton]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 I do not know that I convince her that I "need" that, LOL.

Oh, but you can.  You need it because Mrs. Fox is so "hot" that without a sufficiently powerful cooler she'll be destined to spend all her waking hours on her back, or knees, or whatever position Mrs. Fox finds most amenable for amorous activities?

[Storm-Chaser]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...what you and @Mr. Fox need is a cascading phase cooler (along w/ ear plugs and a big garage)  ...this one via Hexus.net:

 

So with a setup like this it appears the chiller is being chilled? 

 

I like the idea, in fact this theory is partially implemented in a very basic way with my chiller setup. 

I have the liquid to liquid 60 plate heat exchanger sitting in 5 gallons of super cooled methanol. 

I utilize the cold weather and the super cooled methanol to hit the plate heat exchanger from all sides, not just the cold side, so even though I'm still technically "ambient" I get very good Delta T since it's liquid to liquid. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

So with a setup like this it appears the chiller is being chilled? 

 

I like the idea, in fact this theory is partially implemented in a very basic way with my chiller setup. 

I have the liquid to liquid 60 plate heat exchanger sitting in 5 gallons of super cooled methanol. 

I utilize the cold weather and the super cooled methanol to hit the plate heat exchanger from all sides, not just the cold side, so even though I'm still technically "ambient" I get very good Delta T since it's liquid to liquid. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a single phase chiller that gets down to around - 50C and works great for 'smaller chips' such as 4C/8t 4790K or 6700K...haven't used in a few years...

 

 

...because 8C/16T or bigger are harder to handle with a single phase as its transient response is too slow when load kicks in on the processor, which is why there are cascading phases (2 or even 3 phase) which not only help with transient response but can also get much lower re. temps...I've seen cascading phases that could get down below - 120 C...much more difficult to build and set up right though, and also uses a lot of power.

[Storm-Chaser]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I have a single phase chiller that gets down to around - 50C and works great for 'smaller chips' such as 4C/8t 4790K or 6700K...haven't used in a few years...

 

 

...because 8C/16T or bigger are harder to handle with a single phase as its transient response is too slow when load kicks in on the processor, which is why there are cascading phases (2 or even 3 phase) which not only help with transient response but can also get much lower re. temps...I've seen cascading phases that could get down below - 120 C...much more difficult to build and set up right though, and also uses a lot of power.

I bet your old phase change cooler would work really well on my 9600KF rig lol

at 5.2ghz I'm putting out about 130w tdp normal and under avx instructions that jumps to 165 w iirc. 

 

I'm really annoyed at my computer right now. Took FOREVER to bleed the system because I just changed the coolant in preparation for this chilling session, but I won't have a score for you guys until tomorrow or early next week due to a couple additional snags that prevented me from getting it online earlier this afternoon.

 

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

NICE. You leave me no choice but to put the chiller back on, can't let this go unchecked, but I'll admit right now it's going to be very difficult to beat. 

 

Pros: I have a new waterblock

Cons: It's a $14.99 water block 

Well, you'd only have to beat it once. That CPU died. I can't see anything wrong with it. After benching it earlier today, I set it back to 5.3GHz all core at 1.265V.  I used my computer for several more hours, then I had dinner with my kids. I came back a couple of hours later, set the BIOS to defaults and went to flash the firmware on BIOS position #2 with v1.10 from EVGA. When it shut down after flashing it never booted again. It also won't boot in the Strix mobo. Shows a VGA error on the Strix and a Q-code 24 on the Z490 Dark. So, I am back to using my SP81 10900K. 

 

I am really bummed out. I got to use it 3 days. I don't understand how/why that happened. Makes no sense. $400 down the toilet.

[Bastiaan_NL]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, you'd only have to beat it once. That CPU died. I can't see anything wrong with it. After benching it earlier today, I set it back to 5.3GHz all core at 1.265V.  I used my computer for several more hours, then I had dinner with my kids. I came back a couple of hours later, set the BIOS to defaults and went to flash the firmware on BIOS position #2 with v1.10 from EVGA. When it shut down after flashing it never booted again. It also won't boot in the Strix mobo. Shows a VGA error on the Strix and a Q-code 24 on the Z490 Dark. So, I am back to using my SP81 10900K. 

 

I am really bummed out. I got to use it 3 days. I don't understand how/why that happened. Makes no sense. $400 down the toilet.

Sorry to hear that, another offering to the hardware gods

[ArchStanton]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am really bummed out. I got to use it 3 days. I don't understand how/why that happened. Makes no sense. $400 down the toilet.

I am also sorry to hear that.  Forgive my crass attempt at levity earlier.

[J7SC_Orion]

11 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

I bet your old phase change cooler would work really well on my 9600KF rig lol

at 5.2ghz I'm putting out about 130w tdp normal and under avx instructions that jumps to 165 w iirc. 

 

I'm really annoyed at my computer right now. Took FOREVER to bleed the system because I just changed the coolant in preparation for this chilling session, but I won't have a score for you guys until tomorrow or early next week due to a couple additional snags that prevented me from getting it online earlier this afternoon.

 

 

 

...I have been thinking about the old phase cooler as of late  ...I have two giant all-copper dual-GPU blocks that are not in use, and with Koolance QD4s in my systems, I could hook those in while submerging them into a basin cooled by the phase cooler...could be a lot of trial and error, but also fun. the 5950X'best CineR23 is currently 32311 at ambient, and CPUz single at 704.4, w/o 'curve optimizer' or any such thing, so there's some room left. The 3090 GPU currently maxes at 2265 MHz / 520W, it too would respond well to 15 C -20 C or so net drop in temps. I just have to watch the dew point and experiment first with older PC setups to test the basic premise and establish some cornerstone data, ie. re. amount of water in the basin and cooldown time w/ phase running.

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, you'd only have to beat it once. That CPU died. I can't see anything wrong with it. After benching it earlier today, I set it back to 5.3GHz all core at 1.265V.  I used my computer for several more hours, then I had dinner with my kids. I came back a couple of hours later, set the BIOS to defaults and went to flash the firmware on BIOS position #2 with v1.10 from EVGA. When it shut down after flashing it never booted again. It also won't boot in the Strix mobo. Shows a VGA error on the Strix and a Q-code 24 on the Z490 Dark. So, I am back to using my SP81 10900K. 

 

I am really bummed out. I got to use it 3 days. I don't understand how/why that happened. Makes no sense. $400 down the toilet.

 

...sorry to hear this    ...but may be this will work in your favour with your wife now giving you the green light for some extra (+ more extra) upgrades ?

 

Also, are you sure it really is 'dead dead' (like no debug, or constantly '00') ? I take it you already tried reverting back to the old bios via bios switch or reflash ? Sometimes, CPU microcodes can get cornuted. In any case, I hate bios flashing as I had some bad experiences, such as an Intel i7-3970X dying (albeit slowly) after a bios reflash...sometimes Asus' bios tables can go crazy when using unusual primary settings...VCCSA and VCCIO for example shooting up to almost 1.5V while on auto - not good at all for the older chips at least. FYI, the i7-3970X did come back finally for a while longer before a permanent 'Auf Wiedersehen'.

[Storm-Chaser]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, you'd only have to beat it once. That CPU died. I can't see anything wrong with it. After benching it earlier today, I set it back to 5.3GHz all core at 1.265V.  I used my computer for several more hours, then I had dinner with my kids. I came back a couple of hours later, set the BIOS to defaults and went to flash the firmware on BIOS position #2 with v1.10 from EVGA. When it shut down after flashing it never booted again. It also won't boot in the Strix mobo. Shows a VGA error on the Strix and a Q-code 24 on the Z490 Dark. So, I am back to using my SP81 10900K. 

I think there is still a good chance the CPU is okay. What kind of voltage were you pushing through it at 5.7GHz? IIRC I needed 1.56-1.61 volts. 

 

24 is OEM pre-memory initialization code.

 

The OEM pre-memory initialization codes means the CPU is trying to make sense of what sticks of ram are on the motherboard. Or that you are successfully booted into windows.

RE Strix: try another GPU or swap current GPU to another PCIe slot on the motherboard. Maybe Im an eternal optimist, but it's possible you have two different problems here that are very closely associated with what happens when a CPU dies. 

 

Try putting it back in the original z490 and then see if you can remote into it, if you have RDP enabled. 

If you dont have that capability with this rig, run advanced IP scanner to find it's IP address on the network and then try to ping it. If you can ping that you know the system is up and running you are just getting no video signal. You could also start pulling memory to see if single channel posts seeing how code 24 may be related to memory. 

 

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...sorry to hear this    ...but may be this will work in your favour with your wife now giving you the green light for some extra (+ more extra) upgrades ?

 

Also, are you sure it really is 'dead dead' (like no debug, or constantly '00') ? I take it you already tried reverting back to the old bios via bios switch or reflash ? Sometimes, CPU microcodes can get cornuted. In any case, I hate bios flashing as I had some bad experiences, such as an Intel i7-3970X dying (albeit slowly) after a bios reflash...sometimes Asus' bios tables can go crazy when using unusual primary settings...VCCSA and VCCIO for example shooting up to almost 1.5V while on auto - not good at all for the older chips at least. FYI, the i7-3970X did come back finally for a while longer before a permanent 'Auf Wiedersehen'.

Thank you.

2 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

I think there is still a good chance the CPU is okay. What kind of voltage were you pushing through it at 5.7GHz? IIRC I needed 1.56-1.61 volts. 

 

24 is OEM pre-memory initialization code.

 

The OEM pre-memory initialization codes means the CPU is trying to make sense of what sticks of ram are on the motherboard. Or that you are successfully booted into windows.

RE Strix: try another GPU or swap current GPU to another PCIe slot on the motherboard. Maybe Im an eternal optimist, but it's possible you have two different problems here that are very closely associated with what happens when a CPU dies. 

 

Try putting it back in the original z490 and then see if you can remote into it, if you have RDP enabled. 

If you dont have that capability with this rig, run advanced IP scanner to find it's IP address on the network and then try to ping it. If you can ping that you know the system is up and running you are just getting no video signal. You could also start pulling memory to see if single channel posts seeing how code 24 may be related to memory. 

 

 

I was hoping the CPU might be OK. The circumstances under which it stopped working certainly would give the impression the CPU wouldn't be harmed. But, the fault follows the CPU to another computer. It won't boot in either system, and any CPU boots on the system where it failed.

 

I tried all three BIOS positions. Swapped out RAM sticks. Cleared CMOS. I recovery flashed it as you would with no RAM or CPU. Finally, I moved the CPU to the work setup. It doesn't boot in the other computer either. In the Strix (no LCD codes, just lights) it fails POST with the VGA light on. I have a spare 10850K and 10900KF and both boot fine on the Dark mobo. (Well, I HAD as spare 10900KF, but now it is in the Strix board and the CPU from that one is back in the Dark again.)

 

The highest voltage I tried was 1.550V (which I have used with all of my CPUs on chilled water) but I could not do 5.7 stable for anything other than CPU-Z benchmark and gave up. VCCSA and VCCIO are manually set and I try to avoid "auto" for voltage, amp and power settings. I also avoid using adaptive voltage. I run core voltage static as well. I generally only leave boot voltage values on Auto.

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Mr. Fox