Build Log - Sir B's Black/White/Gold O11-Dynamic

[neurotix]

28 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Thank you so much.

 

It was my first attempt at hard tubing and definitely shows in some areas. I think I'd redo it again in the future with fewer 90-bends especially in that pump to CPU block run. In fact I might plumb it completely the other way with the return going up through the top of the res. I'm not sure. I kinda like how @Avacado plumbed his recent O11-D XL.

 

I totally get it. This is indeed very heavy when moving and I find it a much bigger pain to drain fully vs my soft tubing builds of the past. If you ever did get into wanting to do even a simple CPU loop, happy to help provide tips, and I would definitely stick with a soft tubing EPDM/norprene (think Tygon A-60-G industrial) tubing for ease of use and maintenance.

 

Believe it or not, my current CPU cooler is pretty much competitive with a custom CPU loop cooling wise. I've seen charts years ago that I wouldn't be able to dig up now...

 

It's the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm and its not made by Asetek. It has a strong pump and the radiator, while still being aluminum, is 38mm thick compared to like 23mm on something like a Corsair H100. A nice feature of the cooler is it has a small inaudible fan on the block blowing directly down on the socket/VRMs/MOSFETs and RAM. AIO coolers have leveled up quite a bit in the last 3 years or so.

 

I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind though. I'm just unsure where I'd put something like the res with a three fan long GPU as my case is a midtower, which I pretty much insisted on. We really packed a lot in to the case, two 3 fan gpus and 3 hdds.

 

Your bends look fine to me. That's yet another turn off for me is needing to buy an acetane torch or w/e and practice melting plastic and bending it without making holes in it. If suddenly my hip, neck, and back pain vanished and I were stronger I'd consider it but I'm pretty satisfied with my current cooling (though I did have a interest in doing full watercooling on my current setup since EK makes a full cover block for the 1080ti FTW3 but they are due to be retired now).

Edited December 13, 2022 by neurotix

[Sir Beregond]

12 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

Believe it or not, my current CPU cooler is pretty much competitive with a custom CPU loop cooling wise. I've seen charts years ago that I wouldn't be able to dig up now...

 

It's the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm and its not made by Asetek. It has a strong pump and the radiator, while still being aluminum, is 38mm thick compared to like 23mm on something like a Corsair H100. A nice feature of the cooler is it has a small inaudible fan on the block blowing directly down on the socket/VRMs/MOSFETs and RAM. AIO coolers have leveled up quite a bit in the last 3 years or so.

 

I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind though. I'm just unsure where I'd put something like the res with a three fan long GPU as my case is a midtower, which I pretty much insisted on. We really packed a lot in to the case, two 3 fan gpus and 3 hdds.

 

Your bends look fine to me. That's yet another turn off for me is needing to buy an acetane torch or w/e and practice melting plastic and bending it without making holes in it. If suddenly my hip, neck, and back pain vanished and I were stronger I'd consider it but I'm pretty satisfied with my current cooling (though I did have a interest in doing full watercooling on my current setup since EK makes a full cover block for the 1080ti FTW3 but they are due to be retired now).

Yeah honestly if the AIO is doing great, might as well keep it simple. 

 

Its too easy to get addicted to custom loop water cooling and gets expensive for sure.

[Avacado]

41 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

Believe it or not, my current CPU cooler is pretty much competitive with a custom CPU loop cooling wise. I've seen charts years ago that I wouldn't be able to dig up now...

 

It's the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm and its not made by Asetek. It has a strong pump and the radiator, while still being aluminum, is 38mm thick compared to like 23mm on something like a Corsair H100. A nice feature of the cooler is it has a small inaudible fan on the block blowing directly down on the socket/VRMs/MOSFETs and RAM. AIO coolers have leveled up quite a bit in the last 3 years or so.

 

I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind though. I'm just unsure where I'd put something like the res with a three fan long GPU as my case is a midtower, which I pretty much insisted on. We really packed a lot in to the case, two 3 fan gpus and 3 hdds.

 

Your bends look fine to me. That's yet another turn off for me is needing to buy an acetane torch or w/e and practice melting plastic and bending it without making holes in it. If suddenly my hip, neck, and back pain vanished and I were stronger I'd consider it but I'm pretty satisfied with my current cooling (though I did have a interest in doing full watercooling on my current setup since EK makes a full cover block for the 1080ti FTW3 but they are due to be retired now).

If you ever DO decide to go custom, ask around first. I have enough parts to do quite a few full loops in the dungeon. 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Avacado

[neurotix]

28 minutes ago, Avacado said:

If you ever DO decide to go custom, ask around first. I have enough parts to do quite a few full loops in the dungeon. 

 

Awesome. Yeah I'll keep that in mind. You can actually fit two 360mm radiators in my case including fans but I have no clue where I'd put the pump and res.

 

This is my case, by a manufacturer that is small and has a lot more presence in Europe. (Pronounced ah-nee-days)

 

AI CRYSTAL AR3 - anidess

ANIDEES.COM

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It’s not just a case with glass side panel. Supports E-ATX (12″x13″EEB), ATX, m-ATX, mini-ITX MB. High end...

 

Website is a bit wonky but if you scroll down to the pictures it should give you a little bit of an idea on how cramped it is. If I had one card I could probably put the pump on the right on top of the "basement" but I think with a 360mm rad in the front it kind of limits where you can put the res.

 

Love the case btw, 8mm thick tempered glass, rgb fan controller (though unfortunately the fans use a proprietary connector and HAVE to be plugged into the fan controller to work), sparkly powder coated paint, though I'm not sure if the chassis is steel or aluminum. Take a look around their website, they make some interesting cases. They also make Raspberry Pi cases and I should probably build a RaspPi 4 assuming it has a better GPU and decode functionality since a lot of anime is encoded in x265 or hi10p that my Pi 3b+ can't play in Kodi.

 

[Fluxmaven]

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Its too easy to get addicted to custom loop water cooling and gets expensive for sure.

It's my worst addiction... 

 

I just slapped a big ole honkin Thermalright air cooler on a 12700k for a build I'm doing for my roommate. After seeing how cool and quiet it was I really asked myself why the hell do I watercool everything. 

[Sir Beregond]

2 minutes ago, Fluxmaven said:

It's my worst addiction... 

 

I just slapped a big ole honkin Thermalright air cooler on a 12700k for a build I'm doing for my roommate. After seeing how cool and quiet it was I really asked myself why the hell do I watercool everything. 

Yeah I hear you.

[Sir Beregond]

Following the tips from @neurotix, I tried some per CCX all-core overclocks. I think I still have a lot of room to work with, hit max temp at about 75C. 

 

Here's my last CB R23 multi-core run with CCX0 at 4.75GHz and CCX1 at 4.6GHz under 1.35v. Looked like you hit 23,700ish, what did you end up getting your OC's up to @neurotix?

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Tried again with 4.8GHz and 4.65GHz. Did a bit better.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

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neurotix`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 23762 cb with a Ryzen 9 5900X

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The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4800MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark...

 

4800/4500

[Sir Beregond]

6 hours ago, neurotix said:

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neurotix`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 23762 cb with a Ryzen 9 5900X

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The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4800MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark...

 

4800/4500

Very nice! I'm about 250 behind then. Were you also trying Dynamic OC mode?

Edited December 19, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

18 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Very nice! I'm about 250 behind then. Were you also trying Dynamic OC mode?

 

A protip: you get slightly to a decent amount higher Cinebench scores if you set the process priority for Cinebench to Realtime. The system will essentially lock up and show just a black screen for Cinebench and not show the render, but if you wait it will finish and show the whole render and your score will be slightly higher. I tested both with Realtime and without at 4800MHz and in R23 it increased my score by around 300 pts. On other setups/my old 4790k/older versions of Cinebench, it would actually give you like 500pts more or higher when running the process in Realtime.

 

I think you can set process priority to Realtime using benchmate, but I personally use a program called Prio Process Priority setter. https://www.prnwatch.com/prio/

 

That program will allow you to control process priority through Task Manager under the Details tab by right clicking on the Cinebench process.

 

And no, I did not use and have no idea about Dynamic OC mode. I just went in the Extreme Tweaker PBO menu and set both PBO and PBO Fmax enhancer to off, left voltage on auto, and set clocks and VID in the per CCX menu.

Edited December 19, 2022 by neurotix
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[The Pook]

end the explorer.exe process before starting the benchmark too for a few extra points. doesn't make a huge difference in CB but does in Super Pi. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by The Pook
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[Sir Beregond]

Thank you very much for the advice/tips @neurotix and @The Pook. I was able to do 4.8GHz/4.65GHz on the 5900X at 1.44v and crossed 24k multi-core score for the first time.

 

 

[neurotix]

44 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Thank you very much for the advice/tips @neurotix and @The Pook. I was able to do 4.8GHz/4.65GHz on the 5900X at 1.44v and crossed 24k multi-core score for the first time.

 

 

 

Congrats, good work

[J7SC_Orion]

...not sure if this was mentioned yet, but you can also check AMD settings in the bios and look for Prefetcher...tuning L1 and L2 prefetch off usually gets you a decent boost with CinebenchR23 multi-score...some games also like it, others not. Just save your bios profile before making that and any other changes (which I'm sure you know anyway).

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...not sure if this was mentioned yet, but you can also check AMD settings in the bios and look for Prefetcher...tuning L1 and L2 prefetch off usually gets you a decent boost with CinebenchR23 multi-score...some games also like it, others not. Just save your bios profile before making that and any other changes (which I'm sure you know anyway).

Hadn't heard of this one. Thanks for the tip!

 

Results with 4.8GHz / 4.675GHz @ 1.44v:

 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

16 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Hadn't heard of this one. Thanks for the tip!

 

Results with 4.8GHz / 4.675GHz @ 1.44v:

 

 

 

Was this with L1 and L2 prefetcher off? I hadn't heard of that tweak either.

 

Also, in Extreme Tweaker there's a drop-down box near the Per CCX entry that says something like Performance bias and it has entries for Cinebench R15 Gentle, Cinebench R15 Aggressive, etc. I wonder if those would help.

[Sir Beregond]

12 hours ago, neurotix said:

 

Was this with L1 and L2 prefetcher off? I hadn't heard of that tweak either.

 

Also, in Extreme Tweaker there's a drop-down box near the Per CCX entry that says something like Performance bias and it has entries for Cinebench R15 Gentle, Cinebench R15 Aggressive, etc. I wonder if those would help.

Yep that trick with the prefetchers and the one to run realtime.

 

Might have to try that performance bias setting.

[J7SC_Orion]

9 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yep that trick with the prefetchers and the one to run realtime.

 

Might have to try that performance bias setting.

 

FYI, L1L2 prefetcher off is not really a 'trick' (as in cheat), but a setting  ...but no matter what you call it, it works well on multi-core (in exchange for a small loss in single core, depending on the binning distribution of cores within your chiplets).

[Sir Beregond]

So I started to do some baselining last night. I was curious if with my 3080 Ti I can achieve better overclocks with some slight undervolting to help limit the voltage spikes and get more consistent higher clocks. I am noticing when I bench that I do drop clocks a lot, so it definitely feels like its bouncing around a lot.

 

Baseline stock settings my average core clock was around 1875mhz at 975mv. Once I bumped the FE card's power target up to 114%, was getting around 1950mhz at 1024mv. I want to see if I can now put in an overclock offset on the core clock and see what I might be able to undervolt that to.

 

Haven't figure that part all out exactly yet, but looking forward to experimenting this weekend.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[The Pook]

I settled for 1930 @ 900mv on mine. I still occasionally hit the power limit even there though. 

 

I wish there was an alternative to the 1KW BIOS and shunt modding, I'd like for everything to work like factory and just get maybe another 20-100w  

[Sir Beregond]

On 30/12/2022 at 11:46, The Pook said:

I settled for 1930 @ 900mv on mine. I still occasionally hit the power limit even there though. 

 

I wish there was an alternative to the 1KW BIOS and shunt modding, I'd like for everything to work like factory and just get maybe another 20-100w  

Yeah I was hitting power limit there too, though my FE maxes out at 400W.

 

Curious what your OC/curve settings look like?

Edited January 1, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[The Pook]

it's a pretty lazy curve, it's just the stock curve flattened above the frequency/voltage I want 

 

 

+12% power limit, +525 memory, 91° temp limit. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by The Pook

[Sir Beregond]

16 minutes ago, The Pook said:

it's a pretty lazy curve, it's just the stock curve flattened above the frequency/voltage I want 

 

 

+12% power limit, +525 memory, 91° temp limit. 

Thanks for sharing.

 

I did +14% power limit, +1100 memory, +180 on the core clock. Been stable in OCCT, and Superposition so far (going to try some 3DMark), but definitely hit power limitations there. I'm, likewise seeing 1930-1950 being my most stable clocks.

[The Pook]

11 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I did +14% power limit, +1100 memory, +180 on the core clock.

 

I should probably figure out my max vRAM clock, I just set it to +525 and left it there 

 

I see 1950 for a bit but once the card warms up it'll drop to 1935. It'll hold 1935 indefinitely in most benchmarks but in some games (Cyberpunk + RDR2) it'll power limit a little lower 

[Sir Beregond]

2 hours ago, The Pook said:

 

I should probably figure out my max vRAM clock, I just set it to +525 and left it there 

 

I see 1950 for a bit but once the card warms up it'll drop to 1935. It'll hold 1935 indefinitely in most benchmarks but in some games (Cyberpunk + RDR2) it'll power limit a little lower 

I did a little TimeSpy loop testing with voltage locked at 925mv and it was holding 1950 fine, it technically held 1965 fine too but both these frequencies hit power limits when it spiked up to 400W (max on the FE) despite a 360-370W avg. Tried 1980 as well and it would drop a lot to 1965 and after 15 mins crashed the benchmark.

 

Eventually when I am feeling brave, might need to learn how to shunt mod. 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Sir Beregond