5800x overheating?

[pio]

I saw there was another thread posted, but I think my issue is a tad different.  Sig rig (AMDwheee).  Just put it together last night.  Soon as I fire up Cinebench, within a second, it immediately jumps up to 90*C and stays there the entirety of the bench (looking at "CPU Diode temperature" in AIDA64).  Is it possible I did the mount on my block wrong?  The pump and everything is silent, so I don't think its a pump or flow problem.

 

Quite literally just using all auto settings for the time being until I can do some reading on 5000 series PBO settings.  I just can't believe how hot this thing is with a 240mm radiator.  This can't be right.  Any ideas what it could be?  I mounted it using the bolts that came with the EK kit.  I did NOT read the directions though, so I could've put it together incorrectly.  Not entirely sure how you can put together a water block wrong.....but here I am!

Edited April 24, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[ArchStanton]

54 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

it immediately jumps up to 90*C

 

55 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

Is it possible I did the mount on my block wrong? 

That was my first thought, as practically 80% or more of the threads that describe similar behavior end up having a mount/TIM issue.  80% is not 100% though .  Hope you get the wrinkles ironed out without too much difficulty.

[pio]

3 minutes ago, ArchStanton said:

 

That was my first thought, as practically 80% or more of the threads that describe similar behavior end up having a mount/TIM issue.  80% is not 100% though .  Hope you get the wrinkles ironed out without too much difficulty.

I'm about to rip the block off and take a look here in about 5 minutes.  I'll snap a picture while I'm in there, see if anybody can see anything abnormal.

[J7SC_Orion]

1 minute ago, pioneerisloud said:

I'm about to rip the block off and take a look here in about 5 minutes.  I'll snap a picture while I'm in there, see if anybody can see anything abnormal.

 

I would also suggest that you download / post the latest HWInfo re. temps, voltages etc. with apps like Cinebench. I use (licensed) Aida Extreme and like it, but HWInfo is a lot easier to diagnose temp issues with, especially 'from a distance'.

[pio]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I would also suggest that you download / post the latest HWInfo re. temps, voltages etc. with apps like Cinebench. I use (licensed) Aida Extreme and like it, but HWInfo is a lot easier to diagnose temp issues with, especially 'from a distance'.

I actually found a multitude of potentially issues.

 

First of all, the mounting.

I double and triple checked with the manual both in paper and online.  I had it on there correctly.  I pulled it apart, and the paste was spread over where the dies and things should be very well I thought (according to pictures I could find).  There was one corner that somehow didn't get spread onto at all, seems either a mis-pressured mount or an IHS that's not flat.  I didn't bother taking a picture because honestly, it really wasn't that bad.  I did go ahead and remount with 2 lines going parallel with the retention mechanism on the CPU (up and down on the "sides" if you were looking at the CPU with the writing facing up).  My prior TIM job was a straight line, basically crossing out the Ryzen name on it (dead center).  This did drop my temperatures down some a little bit, it took longer to hit 90*C under load.  It still did though.

Next thing I tried, settings.
I noticed BIOS was setting 1.44v stock.  Figured I'd give that a tune down.  I settled at -125mv, which gives it around 1.20v under load.  I enabled manual PBO enabled, with the +200.  Turned up TDP and current limits to 130%.  Set the RAM to proper 2000MHz and timings.  Set IF clock to 2000.  SoC voltage to 1.15v.  RAM voltage to I think it was 1.25v.  And enabled SoC "overclocking" mode.  Next startup with these settings, I was no longer seeing 4.5GHz boost and 90*C within a minute temperatures.  Nope, I was seeing 4.80GHz all core load, 5050MHz single core.  Temperatures, we'll get to in the next paragraph.

AIDA64 readings is the final thing I noticed.

So, with my Ryzen 3600 build, it was my first time ever going Ryzen.  I naturally grabbed the hottest temp reading for CPU and that's what I was going off of (CPU Diode).  So that's also what I assumed I needed to use on the 5800x.  Turns out, there's 3 CPU temperatures.  There's "CPU temp" which is apparently what the BIOS uses and what the fan curves are set off of.  With the new settings, I'm hitting 65*C here.  "CPU Diode" is hitting 77*C now instead of immediately 90*C.  "CPU Package" is hitting 76*C now instead of immediately 90*C.

So here's what I got the last 4 hours:
4.80GHz all core boost (up to 5050 single)
1.20v
122w pull
65*C CPU temp
77*C CPU Diode temp
76*C CPU Package temp
2000 IF Clock / 2000 RAM at 18-22-22-22-42-1T

 

Before:
4.50GHz all core boost (up to 4.70 single)
1.44v
164w pull
?*C CPU Temp
90*C throttle CPU Diode temp
90*C throttle CPU Package temp
1000 IF Clock / 2000 RAM at 18-22-22-22-42-1T
 

It seems to be running MUCH better now with some manual tweaking and a slightly better TIM job.

Edited April 24, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[UltraMega]

6 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

I actually found a multitude of potentially issues.

 

First of all, the mounting.

I double and triple checked with the manual both in paper and online.  I had it on there correctly.  I pulled it apart, and the paste was spread over where the dies and things should be very well I thought (according to pictures I could find).  There was one corner that somehow didn't get spread onto at all, seems either a mis-pressured mount or an IHS that's not flat.  I didn't bother taking a picture because honestly, it really wasn't that bad.  I did go ahead and remount with 2 lines going parallel with the retention mechanism on the CPU (up and down on the "sides" if you were looking at the CPU with the writing facing up).  My prior TIM job was a straight line, basically crossing out the Ryzen name on it (dead center).  This did drop my temperatures down some a little bit, it took longer to hit 90*C under load.  It still did though.

Next thing I tried, settings.
I noticed BIOS was setting 1.44v stock.  Figured I'd give that a tune down.  I settled at -125mv, which gives it around 1.20v under load.  I enabled manual PBO enabled, with the +200.  Turned up TDP and current limits to 130%.  Set the RAM to proper 2000MHz and timings.  Set IF clock to 2000.  SoC voltage to 1.15v.  RAM voltage to I think it was 1.25v.  And enabled SoC "overclocking" mode.  Next startup with these settings, I was no longer seeing 4.5GHz boost and 90*C within a minute temperatures.  Nope, I was seeing 4.80GHz all core load, 5050MHz single core.  Temperatures, we'll get to in the next paragraph.

AIDA64 readings is the final thing I noticed.

So, with my Ryzen 3600 build, it was my first time ever going Ryzen.  I naturally grabbed the hottest temp reading for CPU and that's what I was going off of (CPU Diode).  So that's also what I assumed I needed to use on the 5800x.  Turns out, there's 3 CPU temperatures.  There's "CPU temp" which is apparently what the BIOS uses and what the fan curves are set off of.  With the new settings, I'm hitting 65*C here.  "CPU Diode" is hitting 77*C now instead of immediately 90*C.  "CPU Package" is hitting 76*C now instead of immediately 90*C.

So here's what I got the last 4 hours:
4.80GHz all core boost (up to 5050 single)
1.20v
122w pull
65*C CPU temp
77*C CPU Diode temp
76*C CPU Package temp
2000 IF Clock / 2000 RAM at 18-22-22-22-42-1T

 

Before:
4.50GHz all core boost (up to 4.70 single)
1.44v
164w pull
?*C CPU Temp
90*C throttle CPU Diode temp
90*C throttle CPU Package temp
1000 IF Clock / 2000 RAM at 18-22-22-22-42-1T
 

It seems to be running MUCH better now with some manual tweaking and a slightly better TIM job.

You might want to double check your performance. Ryzen can remain stable but with lower performance when lowering the voltage. 

[pio]

12 hours ago, UltraMega said:

You might want to double check your performance. Ryzen can remain stable but with lower performance when lowering the voltage. 

I actually AM having some issues, but I cannot say for sure as of yet if its a voltage / setting problem or something else.  It feels absolutely fantastic and fine to just sit down and use, but playing a game on it and it falls on its face.  I was having some serious stutter problems last night playing RDR2, then all of a sudden my USB hub failed.  Then the stutters became freezing.  My ISP was dropping too.  Just ugh.  Started off trying to play and I was getting about 45 FPS when it was working.....and I kind of feel like that's a little low for this setup.

 

My problems are one of 3 things or a combination of all 3.  The settings I put to it last night above (including voltage), the junk 2 HDD's I put in there to use temporarily because I had nothing else left, or my incredibly slow ISP having problems because the machine has been syncing for 3 days now since I built it lol.  Honestly I'm not really sure what the problem was just yet.

[J7SC_Orion]

10 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

I actually AM having some issues, but I cannot say for sure as of yet if its a voltage / setting problem or something else.  It feels absolutely fantastic and fine to just sit down and use, but playing a game on it and it falls on its face.  I was having some serious stutter problems last night playing RDR2, then all of a sudden my USB hub failed.  Then the stutters became freezing.  My ISP was dropping too.  Just ugh.  Started off trying to play and I was getting about 45 FPS when it was working.....and I kind of feel like that's a little low for this setup.

 

My problems are one of 3 things or a combination of all 3.  The settings I put to it last night above (including voltage), the junk 2 HDD's I put in there to use temporarily because I had nothing else left, or my incredibly slow ISP having problems because the machine has been syncing for 3 days now since I built it lol.  Honestly I'm not really sure what the problem was just yet.

 

That USB drop and stutter thing is a known issue with certain Ryzen bios and/or chipset drivers. Trying out different bios and chipset driver combos seems to solve it for most folks, at least in Asus mobo world.

[UltraMega]

Yea definitely update the bios. What res are you playing RD2 at? 

[pio]

5 hours ago, UltraMega said:

Yea definitely update the bios. What res are you playing RD2 at? 

Updated BIOS yesterday.  Updated chipset drivers too.  My USB hub also failed coincidentally, so that could've been causing the freezing originally too.  Was playing tonight just fine finally.  Ended up using all auto PBO, and -725mv.  Seemed I was undervolting a tad too much before.  Playing at 5120x1440 / 120Hz (or trying to).  Finally was getting around 60+ FPS tonight at maxed settings.

[ENTERPRISE]

This thread makes me want to revisit my OC. Current all core OC 4700Mhz on CCD0 / 4550 on CCD1 @ 1.29V 

 

Perhaps I should revisit this whole PBO thing. @pioneerisloud I may call on your knowledge for this. I would love to get more out of my 5950x regarding any all core but single core too, obviously with a static OC I gimp my single core performance as it stands.

[ArchStanton]

@ENTERPRISE some resources I found helpful regarding PBO2 tuning.

 

Clav's method for Zen 3 OC | Overclock.net

 

OFFICIAL 5900X and 5950X two chiplet Zen 3 CPUs Overclocking thread | Overclock.net

 

CoreCycler - tool for testing Curve Optimizer settings | Overclock.net

 

[Official] AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread | Overclock.net

 

A guide to ram overclocking on Zen 3 | Overclock.net

[J7SC_Orion]

6 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

This thread makes me want to revisit my OC. Current all core OC 4700Mhz on CCD0 / 4550 on CCD1 @ 1.29V 

 

Perhaps I should revisit this whole PBO thing. @pioneerisloud I may call on your knowledge for this. I would love to get more out of my 5950x regarding any all core but single core too, obviously with a static OC I gimp my single core performance as it stands.

 

...you might want to give 1usmus' Hydra a shot. It takes a while as it runs through all its tests, but works well re. PBO / CO, though it is a touch optimistic sometimes re. CO. Still, it gives you some CO values for manual inputting w/o subsequently running Hydra (or just leave it on) as a rough guide.

 

I ended up not using Hydra after a test run as the Asus X570 DarkHero has DynamicOC anyways (single and multi-core max at the same Bios setting), but Hydra would allow users with other X570 mobos and Ryzen 5x CPUs which don't have that feature to come reasonably close.

[ENTERPRISE]

6 hours ago, ArchStanton said:

@ENTERPRISE some resources I found helpful regarding PBO2 tuning.

 

Clav's method for Zen 3 OC | Overclock.net

 

OFFICIAL 5900X and 5950X two chiplet Zen 3 CPUs Overclocking thread | Overclock.net

 

CoreCycler - tool for testing Curve Optimizer settings | Overclock.net

 

[Official] AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread | Overclock.net

 

A guide to ram overclocking on Zen 3 | Overclock.net

Thanks, I have seen some of those before but definitely worth checking again.

2 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...you might want to give 1usmus' Hydra a shot. It takes a while as it runs through all its tests, but works well re. PBO / CO, though it is a touch optimistic sometimes re. CO. Still, it gives you some CO values for manual inputting w/o subsequently running Hydra (or just leave it on) as a rough guide.

 

I ended up not using Hydra after a test run as the Asus X570 DarkHero has DynamicOC anyways (single and multi-core max at the same Bios setting), but Hydra would allow users with other X570 mobos and Ryzen 5x CPUs which don't have that feature to come reasonably close.

Thanks, I have been thinking of checking Hydra. Ultimately I would only use it though to get me values I can plug into the BIOS.

[pio]

13 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

This thread makes me want to revisit my OC. Current all core OC 4700Mhz on CCD0 / 4550 on CCD1 @ 1.29V 

 

Perhaps I should revisit this whole PBO thing. @pioneerisloud I may call on your knowledge for this. I would love to get more out of my 5950x regarding any all core but single core too, obviously with a static OC I gimp my single core performance as it stands.

Honestly, I'm certainly not the person to help at this point.   I just plugged all my stuff in together, and tweaked it so it worked lol.  I was going off how my Ryzen 3600 worked when tweaking this one, and I'm pretty sure that was wrong.

 

Mine's kind of working now, so I'll leave it be.  Roughly 4.5GHz all core now under load, still seeing 4.9 single at times.  1900 IF / RAM clocks for safety, apparently 2GHz is tough to get still.  I think I'm at -725mv for offset.  I'm only just matching what the thing did all auto, but trying to keep it from overheating and throttling.

 

But hey....... @ENTERPRISE, I did say I would find a home for this EKWB I won, and the PSU.  Well.....I made them homes.   

Edited April 26, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

Honestly, I'm certainly not the person to help at this point.   I just plugged all my stuff in together, and tweaked it so it worked lol.  I was going off how my Ryzen 3600 worked when tweaking this one, and I'm pretty sure that was wrong.

 

Mine's kind of working now, so I'll leave it be.  Roughly 4.5GHz all core now under load, still seeing 4.9 single at times.  1900 IF / RAM clocks for safety, apparently 2GHz is tough to get still.  I think I'm at -725mv for offset.  I'm only just matching what the thing did all auto, but trying to keep it from overheating and throttling.

 

But hey....... @ENTERPRISE, I did say I would find a home for this EKWB I won, and the PSU.  Well.....I made them homes.   

 

yeah, safety > than kaputsky 

 

IF 2000 / DDR4 4000 can be done with the right RAM and willing IF, but it usually is a trade-off between latency and bandwidth (below). Also, I like to keep Soc-v and related IMC voltages fairly restricted for 24/7. Tight-timings 1900/ 3800 is great for most apps. All that said, there's also 3866 and 3966 if 4000 doesn't quite work (re. WHEA etc)...