[Official] EHW Retro - The EHW Retrogaming club

[pio]

6 minutes ago, The Pook said:

 

could've sworn Intel did it first with Nehalem but just did a Google and you're right 

 

Asrock had a couple dual socket 754/939 boards with a single chipset too (K8M800 or M1689 depending), but no weird RAM shenanigans on those 

Yup!  There were also some 754 boards with PCIe that shouldn't have existed, and some Socket 939 with AGP slots too.  Going to Intel, they also had crossover style boards, also ASRock (they were good about those crossover boards back then).  I have a Core 2 Duo supporting board that rocks an AGP slot for example.  

Edited February 12 by pioneerisloud

[The Pook]

16 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

There were also some 754 boards with PCIe that shouldn't have existed, and some Socket 939 with AGP slots too. 

 

I almost bought one! Some boards had both. 

[neurotix]

On 12/02/2024 at 15:01, Andrew said:

If the 10 year rule is what this thread is going on, doesn't that now make the PS4 and Xbox One retro gaming consoles?

I go by 15 years personally but if people want to add those consoles, I would not object. However, they must be the original severely underpowered (lol) PS4 and Xbox One, not the Pro models.

 

Flux has a liquid cooled PS4 listed, as an example.

 

Also, retro to me really is 80s and 90s gaming consoles, but I gotta account for 18 year olds now who grew up on PS2, N64 is a huge one, Xbox 360 and original Xbox, etc. They are all stuff from their youth and they're adults now, so it would be kind of unfair. The PS4 and Xbox One aren't really retro, they're just older gen.

Edited February 13 by neurotix

[The Pook]

retro means anything ~N64/Windows 98-era or older and that definition will never change no matter what year it is 

 

don't @ me 

[neurotix]

Agreed. But I have to make these exceptions for the reasons I stated.

[neurotix]

What would everyone agree is considered retro or not? Pook, @UltraMega@axipher@pioneerisloud

 

How old does a console or PC need to be to be considered truly retro?

 

10 years was what people generally agreed on and wanted at OCN, but if everyone reaches a consensus or we all agree on a mutual time, it can be changed.

 

My vote is for 15 years.

[UltraMega]

As for consoles, I would say once a console is no longer supported by the manufacturer, it's considered a retro console. Since PS4 and Xbox One are still supported, they can't be considered retro. As for everything else, I'd say ten years is a good limit. 

[pio]

4 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

...is no longer supported by the manufacturer...

 

I'd put Windows 7 + 8.1 rigs into that category as well.  I think that'd be reasonable enough, no?  Nobody's playing on Phenom II's, FX's, and Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge these days unless you're actively trying to (the era those OS's are).

[neurotix]

Good points, especially pio. Thanks. I'm sure Pook will disagree if he sees this. Now we just gotta see what axipher thinks.

[The Pook]

Windows 98, N64 = retro 

XP, PS2 = retro adjacent 

anything newer = wrong 

 

so 25 ish? 

 

On 13/02/2024 at 16:35, The Pook said:

don't @ me 

 

42 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Pook, @UltraMega@axipher@pioneerisloud

 

Edited February 14 by The Pook

[axipher]

I would have to say at least 2 generations old, so being that we are I think 9th generation now, 7th generation and older so Wii, Xbox 360, PS3 roughly.

 

Wii U might kind of get swept up with that though with how close it's titles were to Wii as well.

 

 

 

For PC gaming is a little harder because of the huge range in quality and long support for games including engine updates, but probably around 2014 or 2015 I guess would be the latest, so like Shovel Knight, Dark Souls II, Fallout 4, Undertale and probably right before the huge influx of "16-bit" sprite based games in modern engines that don't actually give any regard for the CRT's that made sprite-art come to life and not just be a bunch of pixels.

 

 

 

 

It's hard to pin-point an exact spot, years and generations are an easy way to put a number on it, but really hard to decide on that since games can be in development for up 5, even 10 years, others can be complete reimagining's of 10-15 year old games with modern engines and quality of life improvements.

 

Deep down, part of me really wants to say that Retro Games are any Games that were designed to be played on CRT's by the majority and also before DLC was a thing.  But then I also consider that "retro" should point to a specific time, but instead a relative past to where we are now, so 10 years in video games is a huge amount of time with so many changes to engine design, game design and cultural changes.

Edited February 14 by axipher
Updated thoughts

[UltraMega]

42 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

 

I'd put Windows 7 + 8.1 rigs into that category as well.  I think that'd be reasonable enough, no?  Nobody's playing on Phenom II's, FX's, and Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge these days unless you're actively trying to (the era those OS's are).

 

15 minutes ago, axipher said:

I would have to say at least 2 generations old, so being that we are I think 9th generation now, 7th generation and older so Wii, Xbox 360, PS3 roughly.

 

Wii U might kind of get swept up with that though with how close it's titles were to Wii as well.

 

 

For PC gaming is a little harder because of the huge range in quality and long support for games including engine updates, but probably around 2014 or 2015 I guess would be the latest, so like Shovel Knight, Dark Souls II, Fallout 4, Undertale and probably right before the huge influx of "16-bit" sprite based games in modern engines that don't actually give any regard for the CRT's that made sprite-art come to life and not just be a bunch of pixels.

 

 

 

It's hard to pin-point an exact spot, years and generations are an easy way to put a number on it, but really hard to decide on that since games can be in development for up 5, even 10 years, others can be complete reimagining's of 10-15 year old games with modern engines and quality of life improvements.

 

Deep down, part of me really wants to say that Retro Games are any Games that were designed to be played on CRT's by the majority and also before DLC was a thing.  But then I also consider that "retro" should point to a specific time, but instead a relative past to where we are now, so 10 years in video games is a huge amount of time with so many changes to engine design, game design and cultural changes.

 

I agree with Axipher that it's harder to pin down for PC. I don't think you can just go by when an OS stopped being supported in reference to a game because the hardware may still be supported on the most recent OS, and the OS can just be updated to more recent versions for free. That's why I think it makes more sense to just have a timeframe in mind for PC games. I think 10 years is fine, even though that would awkwardly make GTAV a retro game. Technically though, it is a PS3 game. It would also make Star Citizen PTU a retro game. 

 

15 years is also reasonable though.

 

If you're just talking about PC hardware though, I would say anything that can't run on a currently supported OS is retro, and since windows 10 is still supported that means you would have to go back pretty far for retro PC hardware. On the other hard, I would also gladly say something like a Q6600 is retro now, and that can run windows 10, so there is a bit of a grey area. 

[neurotix]

Agreed with everything..

 

I think we will keep the 10 year old rule and let people list a PS4 or Xbox One but *only* the originals, not the pro models.

 

I do agree though on 15 years and 360/PS3/Wii actually being retro, but since this club is for fun I'll allow the original PS4/Xbone.

 

PC wise, I started the hobby around 2009 and started with a Phenom II x2 that I unlocked to x4 and OCed. I think that is retro now given it can only really run games up to about 2014-2015 but does poorly at it, stuff like Just Cause 2 ran great on it. I agree with pio in that respect, nobody is capable of playing modern games on a FX chip or a 2600k.

[UltraMega]

6 hours ago, neurotix said:

Agreed with everything..

 

I think we will keep the 10 year old rule and let people list a PS4 or Xbox One but *only* the originals, not the pro models.

 

I do agree though on 15 years and 360/PS3/Wii actually being retro, but since this club is for fun I'll allow the original PS4/Xbone.

 

PC wise, I started the hobby around 2009 and started with a Phenom II x2 that I unlocked to x4 and OCed. I think that is retro now given it can only really run games up to about 2014-2015 but does poorly at it, stuff like Just Cause 2 ran great on it. I agree with pio in that respect, nobody is capable of playing modern games on a FX chip or a 2600k.

I maintain that currently supported consoles should be expmpt from a ten year rule of thumb. Ps4 is just not a retro console by any measure, yet. 

Edited February 15 by UltraMega

[Andrew]

If we're now going on 15 years + OG PS4 and Xbone, I guess I can rule out my PS4 Pro and copy of Gran Turismo 7 then

 

(I wasn't actually going to count GT7 as a retro game, it just came out 2 years ago)

 

I do occasionally still play GT3 (2001) and GT4 (2004) on an emulator though, but on modern hardware. My non-Mac sigrig to be specific.

[Minotaurtoo]

I'm old, when I think retro, I'm thinking of windows XP and before for PC and console wise, before N64 LOL  I recently went full emulation due to hardware failings.  I use PCEM to emulate an old PC.  I used to have a retro PC on a wall that played games from the 90's to around 2006 or so.  I do still have a Sega master system console that works. 

[neurotix]

What @UltraMegasaid works.

 

10 years, no PS4/Xbox until they are officially unsupported.

[The Pook]

5 hours ago, Minotaurtoo said:

I'm old, when I think retro, I'm thinking of windows XP and before for PC and console wise, before N64 LOL

 

finally, someone else who's right 

[neurotix]

2 hours ago, The Pook said:

 

finally, someone else who's right 

What should we do then? 2000 and before stuff only?

 

Also, do you have any retro game systems you'd want to join the club with, or just commenting?

[LabRat]

On 12/02/2024 at 13:30, pioneerisloud said:

K8 (Socket 939) the IMC was on die (first AMD socket to have it).  So nope, DDR400 it is.  You're right, the board SHOULD have DDR2 or DDR3 given its a 785g chipset.  That's why I love that board.  It really "shouldn't" exist.  

K8 S754/S940 was first

 

Also, IMHO
this should be Retro PCs, with Modified and Repaired Consoles welcome.
Consoles are meant to be 'plug and play' appliances; not very eXtreme 

My lil Cube7 RetroBox

Apex MI-008 EMI Advantaged ITX Chassis
VIA C7 1.0Ghz + M7CN896IDK
Kingston HyperX 512MBx1 DDR2 533 CAS3
3D Fuzion/BFG MX4000 128MB 128-bit PCI 3.3/5v 33/66Mhz
Samsung MCCOE64G5MPP 64GB SATA 1.5gbps
 

Windows Embedded POSReady 2009

+
Windows Embedded POSReady 7

(Originally Built as a stand-in for a PII/P3 ~500Mhz, and for Win98SE)

 

Edited February 24 by LabRat

[neurotix]

Pretty cool but as I made clear in the OP, this is primarily a retro console gaming club, and multiple members have multiple consoles and handhelds. A few of us share a mutual love of the old Final Fantasy games, as well.

 

Did you want to be added with the specs of that rig listed? I'm literally walking in the dark with what it even is. If you list all your retro PCs and components separated by commas, I can add you and a list of your hardware to the club.

 

EDIT: I just can't give you any good discussion on retro PCs and I don't have any. pioneerisloud certainly can though and you guys can feel free to take over this thread and talk about retro hw and games. Because some activity is better than none.

Edited February 24 by neurotix

[LabRat]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

Pretty cool but as I made clear in the OP, this is primarily a retro console gaming club

I was summoned via mention
So, I merely saw the thread title/headers, and the content immediately surrounding the post(s) I was mentioned in.
 

My PoV:

Being EHW, I just assumed it was Windows / Linux / OS/2 / DOS / Mac-PPC / Mac-x86_64 (/Etc.) "Gaming General" Retro Gaming. My apologies. 

 

Perhaps @pioneerisloud can help with a thread title change? At least, for the inattentive members like myself (and search results/The Algorithm) 

Something more clearly Console-Handheld/'non-PC'? Esp. now that handheld PCs are taking-off, and been around on/off since the 386-era.

Edited February 24 by LabRat

[pio]

14 minutes ago, LabRat said:

I was summoned via mention
So, I merely saw the thread title/headers, and the content immediately surrounding the post(s) I was mentioned in.
 

My PoV:

Being EHW, I just assumed it was Windows / Linux / OS/2 / DOS / Mac-PPC / Mac-x86_64 (/Etc.) "Gaming General" Retro Gaming. My apologies. 

 

Perhaps @pioneerisloud can help with a thread title change? At least, for the inattentive members like myself (and search results/The Algorithm) 

Something more clearly Console-Handheld/'non-PC'? Esp. now that handheld PCs are taking-off, and been around on/off since the 386-era.

Slightly different rules than OCN bro, I'm not moderator here lol.  I just do content creation, I don't have any special editing privileges here.

 

If we are wanting to keep the thread to consoles only, perhaps @neurotix should change the thread title though.  I don't have any consoles.

[LabRat]

17 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

Slightly different rules than OCN bro, I'm not moderator here lol.  I just do content creation, I don't have any special editing privileges here.

 

If we are wanting to keep the thread to consoles only, perhaps @neurotix should change the thread title though.  I don't have any consoles.

You have connections know the rolodex and are familiar w/ processes here, better than I. 
I have no idea who I'd ask to fix this, as IIRC users can't edit posts (or titles) after awhile.

Edited February 24 by LabRat

[pio]

1 minute ago, LabRat said:

You have connections and are familiar w/ processes here, better than I. 
I have no idea who I'd ask to fix this, as IIRC users can't edit posts (or titles) after awhile.

*shrugs, I usually just dm Enterprise for things like that lol.

Perhaps if this thread is only about consoles, maybe we should make a new EHW Retro club for the PC enthusiasts here.  I can go start on a thread if we need one.