Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[ENTERPRISE]

2 hours ago, kaliz said:

Do you have a zentimings screenshot Enterprise? And how did you set your CPU? Any PBO or Curve Optimizer?

 

30 minutes ago, neurotix said:

@ENTERPRISE

 

I would try 1.25v VDD_SoC and 1.35v Misc voltage for 2100MHz, and leave VDD_Mem on Auto. Give the RAM 1.435v and you will probably (if it's anything like mine) see the Mem controller voltage be at like 1.45v+.

 

That's how mine is set currently anyway and it's rock solid stable. Also I would suggest lowering the RAM speed to 6400 or 6200 if trying for 2100 fclk which is what I run. (6200MHz, 2100 fclk).

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hey guys, 

 

Current OC I am working on as per the below Zen Timings.  @kaliz, I am not running PBO or Curve Optimizer at the moment. Just focusing on RAM for now as I know bringing in CPU OC at this point will complicate matters.

 

 

1.35v for Misc voltage ? Isn't that fairly high ? Currently running at 1.15v, may explain some of the issues I have had stability wise but I have seen on most resources that people are using 1.15v, though it may be possible for my OC I need to crank it up.

 

I will try for a lower SOC, currently at 1.29 just for the sake of testing stability but I would like to lower it if possible to around 1.25v

 

Currently running RAM 1.5v as anything lower I was having issues posting but once I have a stable OC and messed with timings, I will revisit voltages to try and bring them down if possible. Keep your fingers crossed!  For now I am leaving the below settings to Auto in my BIOS and will likely leave them that way unless I HAVE to dial in something specific as it ads another level of complexity I may not even need to look at. I think some of my issue is was I was playing with those settings too.

 

 

Thanks,

E

[neurotix]

49 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

 

Hey guys, 

 

Current OC I am working on as per the below Zen Timings.  @kaliz, I am not running PBO or Curve Optimizer at the moment. Just focusing on RAM for now as I know bringing in CPU OC at this point will complicate matters.

 

 

1.35v for Misc voltage ? Isn't that fairly high ? Currently running at 1.15v, may explain some of the issues I have had stability wise but I have seen on most resources that people are using 1.15v, though it may be possible for my OC I need to crank it up.

 

I will try for a lower SOC, currently at 1.29 just for the sake of testing stability but I would like to lower it if possible to around 1.25v

 

Currently running RAM 1.5v as anything lower I was having issues posting but once I have a stable OC and messed with timings, I will revisit voltages to try and bring them down if possible. Keep your fingers crossed!  For now I am leaving the below settings to Auto in my BIOS and will likely leave them that way unless I HAVE to dial in something specific as it ads another level of complexity I may not even need to look at. I think some of my issue is was I was playing with those settings too.

 

 

Thanks,

E

 

When I first got my setup and OC'ed the RAM, I found an OCN post recommending 1.35v MISC and 1.25v SoC. Works great for me at 6200/2100. Passed 4 hours of GSAT. So maybe try that voltage and stress test it with Karhu and GSAT?

[neurotix]

Also what dies do you have? Can you post a picture of your Thaiphoon Burner report? If you have B-Die, you should be able to lower timings significantly as they are quite loose. I can post a photo of my ZenTimings for you to try if you do indeed have B-Die.

[kaliz]

10 hours ago, neurotix said:

1.35v Misc voltag

no thats way too high? 1,1v Vmisc is always good. You need to give the VDDG's more voltage to get higher FCLK stable, ive set mine 1,050v and 0,950v (stock is 0,850v, you can set it up to 1,2v both)

[kaliz]

 just installed a 7500F and loaded up a profile   dont need those high voltages. can set 2200 fclk as well and go tighter with RCD etc. with same voltages. Also try to manually tune down drivestrenghts and procODT. Also set tRFC 165ns just to try out, because 120ns is very tighht

[kaliz]

a suggestion : 

[ENTERPRISE]

9 hours ago, kaliz said:

 just installed a 7500F and loaded up a profile   dont need those high voltages. can set 2200 fclk as well and go tighter with RCD etc. with same voltages. Also try to manually tune down drivestrenghts and procODT. Also set tRFC 165ns just to try out, because 120ns is very tighht

 

9 hours ago, kaliz said:

a suggestion : 

 

Thanks for that bud, rather than go directly to 6400 as per your ZEN Timings screenshot, I have taken a combination of your recommendations and applied them to my 6600 OC. Results below. 

 

 

Curiously I cannot adjust the tRFC (ns) value as I cannot find it in my BIOS to alter, at least not under Advanced DRAM Settings where everything else is.

 

I have also kept my voltages as is, just for now. Once I have everything stable I will wittle those down.

 

I also applied the below settings as per a prior OC I had done and these were stable, but will be benching again to confirm. 

 

[kaliz]

very nice! With the 1,5 and 1,55v ram voltage you can set C30 or C28 pretty easy too, and you can tweak SCL's down to like 8 8 , then 5 5 then 4 4 then 2 2 if that works ! Also RRDS / RRDL tFAW you can try 4 8 16 and WTRL 16 or 14, Also VDDP voltage can go lower but not neccesary. I set it at 1 or 1,05v and it works with everything. Lower is better! Also MISC, really to 1,1v. mem VPP 1,8. 

If you can find GDM set it to disabled for better latency, and somewhere in Training option you can find round trip latency , set that to enabled. If GDM doesnt work anymore leave RTL auto.

 

Where do you tweak your RAM timings? tRFC has to be in the menu just below tWR and tPAGE

 

oh and set MCLK:FCLK 1:1 mode

Edited September 28, 2023 by kaliz

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

 

Thanks for that bud, rather than go directly to 6400 as per your ZEN Timings screenshot, I have taken a combination of your recommendations and applied them to my 6600 OC. Results below. 

 

 

Curiously I cannot adjust the tRFC (ns) value as I cannot find it in my BIOS to alter, at least not under Advanced DRAM Settings where everything else is.

 

I have also kept my voltages as is, just for now. Once I have everything stable I will wittle those down.

 

I also applied the below settings as per a prior OC I had done and these were stable, but will be benching again to confirm. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, kaliz said:

very nice! With the 1,5 and 1,55v ram voltage you can set C30 or C28 pretty easy too, and you can tweak SCL's down to like 8 8 , then 5 5 then 4 4 then 2 2 if that works ! Also RRDS / RRDL tFAW you can try 4 8 16 and WTRL 16 or 14, Also VDDP voltage can go lower but not neccesary. I set it at 1 or 1,05v and it works with everything. Lower is better! Also MISC, really to 1,1v. mem VPP 1,8. 

If you can find GDM set it to disabled for better latency, and somewhere in Training option you can find round trip latency , set that to enabled. If GDM doesnt work anymore leave RTL auto.

 

Where do you tweak your RAM timings? tRFC has to be in the menu just below tWR and tPAGE

 

oh and set MCLK:FCLK 1:1 mode

  

Not much to add, @kaliz already got it covered better than I could. FYI, I keep V_SOC at below 1.26 V and VDDQ in the 1.3s and yeah, as already mentioned, either go to 1:1 for 6400 and below, or 1:2 for 7800 and higher

[kaliz]

8 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

  

Not much to add, @kaliz already got it covered better than I could. FYI, I keep V_SOC at below 1.26 V and VDDQ in the 1.3s and yeah, as already mentioned, either go to 1:1 for 6400 and below, or 1:2 for 7800 and higher

 

in 1:1 mode if set 6400 with 2133 fclk its 'synced' as in 3:2:3 (3200:2133:3200) If your CPU cannot handle 2133 you can set 6000 with 2000 fclk (and raise the bclk),  or 8000 with 2000 fclk in 1:2 mode (2:1:2) , the best CPU's do 6600 with 2200 fclk, or 8000 with 2200 fclk. a

 

here arent many more combination but this will help somekind of throughput dont know the name anymore. I like to use 8000 with either 2000 or 2200 fclk ( or 2133+ at least)

[kaliz]

also for the Nitro settings enabled enabled  2-3-1-8-8

And try tRDRDSC/DD and tWRWRSD/DD 8-8 10-10 

[J7SC_Orion]

Now looking ahead to CPU tuning after your RAM is all locked in, you might want to use corecycler and Hydra 1.3x Pro (or higher) to get to your specific per-core CO if you haven't already done so. FYI, I did my own all-core and best-guess-per core CO, then used those two tools to confirm / deny.

 

My 7950X3D is a bit of a weirdo, but I ended up setting '-6' from 'per core max' across all per-cores, noting a.) that I was running a base of 90L5 (a secondary but cumulative CO settings with my Aorus 670E mobo) and b.) -6 off the recommended max CO level for each core (from as much as -48) works just great. Superb single and all-core results in CineR23/24 (see above) and no crashing anywhere, anytime, and 'zero' WHEA. I like it...I like it a lot !

 

After RAM tuning, per-core CO awaits you, @ENTERPRISE  

[J7SC_Orion]

...decided to go for the slightly tighter of the two tested profiles for now (36-45-45 instead of 36-46-46, and tRFC to 738 from 800). When I have more time, I will try to lower tRAS and later on, also lower and re-test  tCL as long as MEM VDD does not exceed 1.45 V.  I know tCL 34 at DDR5 8000 won't work at 1.4V

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[neurotix]

@J7SC_Orion

 

Got my wife to halfway agree to get me that RAM kit, and I have the zentimings and settings you used saved. She had said "no more" to computer parts since I just got the new EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark as well as a Crucial T700 Gen 5 M.2 drive.

 

However she said we'll talk about it this weekend after she does finances and we have a lot in savings so *fingers crossed* that she'll get me your kit this weekend.

 

How's the RGB software for it? I have full Rgb in my rig (7 fans and 4 light strips), RGB keyboard, RGB mouse and I would want to be able to color coordinate the RAM sticks. I've never had RGB RAM before, I'm hoping I could do like an animated two- color fade with cyan and magenta to match the rest of my setup.

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, neurotix said:

@J7SC_Orion

 

Got my wife to halfway agree to get me that RAM kit, and I have the zentimings and settings you used saved. She had said "no more" to computer parts since I just got the new EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark as well as a Crucial T700 Gen 5 M.2 drive.

 

However she said we'll talk about it this weekend after she does finances and we have a lot in savings so *fingers crossed* that she'll get me your kit this weekend.

 

How's the RGB software for it? I have full Rgb in my rig (7 fans and 4 light strips), RGB keyboard, RGB mouse and I would want to be able to color coordinate the RAM sticks. I've never had RGB RAM before, I'm hoping I could do like an animated two- color fade with cyan and magenta to match the rest of my setup.

 

...chocolates and flowers !

[neurotix]

47 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...chocolates and flowers !

LOL!

 

Any answer about the RGB thing though?

[J7SC_Orion]

8 hours ago, neurotix said:

LOL!

 

Any answer about the RGB thing though?

  

 ...RGB works great both via Aorus mobo setting and also Open RGB

[neurotix]

8 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

 ...RGB works great both via Aorus mobo setting and also Open RGB

I wonder if it woukd work with AuraSync, which is what I have? If it did I'd be pretty thrilled.

 

Obviously more interested in getting it and trying your settings and seeing if it's stable. But needed to know about the RGB part. Thanks.

[ENTERPRISE]

On 28/09/2023 at 22:14, kaliz said:

very nice! With the 1,5 and 1,55v ram voltage you can set C30 or C28 pretty easy too, and you can tweak SCL's down to like 8 8 , then 5 5 then 4 4 then 2 2 if that works ! Also RRDS / RRDL tFAW you can try 4 8 16 and WTRL 16 or 14, Also VDDP voltage can go lower but not neccesary. I set it at 1 or 1,05v and it works with everything. Lower is better! Also MISC, really to 1,1v. mem VPP 1,8. 

If you can find GDM set it to disabled for better latency, and somewhere in Training option you can find round trip latency , set that to enabled. If GDM doesnt work anymore leave RTL auto.

 

Where do you tweak your RAM timings? tRFC has to be in the menu just below tWR and tPAGE

 

oh and set MCLK:FCLK 1:1 mode

 

On 28/09/2023 at 22:36, J7SC_Orion said:

 

  

Not much to add, @kaliz already got it covered better than I could. FYI, I keep V_SOC at below 1.26 V and VDDQ in the 1.3s and yeah, as already mentioned, either go to 1:1 for 6400 and below, or 1:2 for 7800 and higher

 

On 28/09/2023 at 22:51, kaliz said:

 

in 1:1 mode if set 6400 with 2133 fclk its 'synced' as in 3:2:3 (3200:2133:3200) If your CPU cannot handle 2133 you can set 6000 with 2000 fclk (and raise the bclk),  or 8000 with 2000 fclk in 1:2 mode (2:1:2) , the best CPU's do 6600 with 2200 fclk, or 8000 with 2200 fclk. a

 

here arent many more combination but this will help somekind of throughput dont know the name anymore. I like to use 8000 with either 2000 or 2200 fclk ( or 2133+ at least)

 

On 28/09/2023 at 22:56, kaliz said:

also for the Nitro settings enabled enabled  2-3-1-8-8

And try tRDRDSC/DD and tWRWRSD/DD 8-8 10-10 

 

Great info, thanks guys, I will take a look at this today and tomorrow. That being said I have looked in every sub menu and I cannot locate Round Trip Latency or GDM. I am going to contact MSI to find out if I am missing something, or if they lock these out from user access. 

 

Also I am unable to set MEM CLK/FCLK @ 1:1 as the system will not post.  

 

I will come back with results after current testing

[J7SC_Orion]

...just for the record, while both DDR5 8000 settings pass long RAM stress-tests, the one on the left is my 'normal' every day one. The differences to the 'tighter' one on the right are minute in for example games, and it never hurts leaving a few steps of space between the abyss and every-day fun. Per-core CO on the other hand has some real and obvious pay-offs. I have got the per-core done for the 'standard' bclk 100 / 8000 but am still working on per-core CO for eclk 104 / 8000 though I have a decent working-set locked in...final steps in CO require a lot of repeated testing across the board.

 

[ENTERPRISE]

9 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...just for the record, while both DDR5 8000 settings pass long RAM stress-tests, the one on the left is my 'normal' every day one. The differences to the 'tighter' one on the right are minute in for example games, and it never hurts leaving a few steps of space between the abyss and every-day fun. Per-core CO on the other hand has some real and obvious pay-offs. I have got the per-core done for the 'standard' bclk 100 / 8000 but am still working on per-core CO for eclk 104 / 8000 though I have a decent working-set locked in...final steps in CO require a lot of repeated testing across the board.

 

Nice! 

 

Quick one as I have observed this a few times now, and your screenshot just reminded me. I note that you have RttNomWR & RttNomRd set to OFF. I assume that is based on your current OC/Memory module characteristics and not some general recommended setting ?

[J7SC_Orion]

42 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Nice! 

 

Quick one as I have observed this a few times now, and your screenshot just reminded me. I note that you have RttNomWR & RttNomRd set to OFF. I assume that is based on your current OC/Memory module characteristics and not some general recommended setting ?

 

...let's put it this way: This is actually XMP / Intel RAM micro-coded DDR5, and I have not touched either of those settings...

[kaliz]

2 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Nice! 

 

Quick one as I have observed this a few times now, and your screenshot just reminded me. I note that you have RttNomWR & RttNomRd set to OFF. I assume that is based on your current OC/Memory module characteristics and not some general recommended setting ?

those two are only used for dual rank ram! 

[neurotix]

16 minutes ago, kaliz said:

those two are only used for dual rank ram! 

Is the TridentZ5 that I'm getting (I convinced her ) dual or single rank?

 

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[J7SC_Orion]

8 hours ago, neurotix said:

Is the TridentZ5 that I'm getting (I convinced her ) dual or single rank?

 

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 per Zen sheets, mine are single rank.

 

After RAM and standard CPU, bclk+, and eclk+ profiles are all set now, I played around a bit with with Process Lasso , something @ENTERPRISE @neurotix  and Co will also surely enjoy soon. It is more complex than Microsoft's  XBox GameBar but ultimately gives better control.

 

edit:   ...did a few quick benchies; all that CPU & memory tuning is worth it:

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by J7SC_Orion