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J7SC_Orion
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On prior AMD boards, this could be due to USB population with earlier bios, but I heave not heard anything re. that on AM5
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IMO, too much overhead (and also AMD data siphoning). Once installed, it keeps a process open and reported task manager even when you tuned it off and do not have Ryzen Master auto-loading at start. Only uninstalling Ryzen Master will get rid off that extra process in task manager.
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...see the APNX case used in a build project by DerBauer: -
I just started using that app... I had finished my regular-speed COs the old-fashioned way but now, for additional eclk settings, that app is really handy and also quicker (fewer reboots).
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I am not sure whether the 'second CCD boosting' issue would be solved by a new mobo. What is more, there is no guarantee that your CPU itself can run 8000 error-free on another board. Honestly, I would either swap my CPU, or more likely wait for the Ryzen 8K series which is already in engineering sample mode.
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...seem tight to me, but if it works w/o errors than they must be ok. Better ask @kaliz though as most of my experience is with 1:2 ~ 8000
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I run 8, 8 anyways but Buldzoid edited the subject later by adding "(AMD works differently)" EDIT: Zen for my current daily (non-bench) setting, stress tested. FYI, 7950X3D tend to have higher binned cores and IMC - though it still also comes down to mobo topography and RAM type. In terms of performance, the CL30 6400 1/1 setting gets closest to this one
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There are a couple of other tools available such as CoreCycler, but I just use Process Lasso which I got back in the TR 2950X days; so I'm used to it.
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... > here you go
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MannyX-ITA (OCN) released several custom versions specific to each Ryzen 7 type...I tried some of them, and they're quite good, with or without core-parking...but again, it also comes down to choosing the right ones, ie. single vs dual CCDs, and also regular CCD Ryzen 7K or the X3D ones. I reverted back to my 'hi-po' regular Win 11 Pro plan for now.
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This is a 7950X3D, essentially voltage-locked 'upwards' - stork voltages in my earlier post (confirmed by HWInfo)
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...had a little bit of fun with DLAA, Frame Gen and 8K max settings in MSFS 2020; never seen this much VRAM allocation before...
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After 'eclk' and stock bclk tuning, I did some more custom bclk and custom CO; single core on CCD0 VCache can now hit 5370...hasn't failed single test yet but I don't want to push the CPU over the edge, either...
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...wrong thread @bonami2 ...some early Geek6 single / multi-core benchmarks for the new Threadripper Pro 7985WX (64c/128t) on the left. On the right, my best run with the 7950X3D / DDR5 8k. I am sure the 7985WX numbers will improve with final bios and so forth, but the new TR Pros are obviously more geared forwards productivity anyway, including with plenty more PCI lanes.
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...with a well-cooled 3090, 2200 MHz is possible. My 3090 Strix OC (extensively w-cooled, 3x 8 PCIe, 520 W KingPin vbios) can do a bit more under ideal circumstances.
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I can certainly understand your frustration... Before RMAing, I would do one more attempt to completely reset everything (ie. battery out, PSU disconnected) because you might be stuck in no-man's land on the bios chip itself. Presumably, the board also has bios flashback - going back to the earlier bios version, if possible. If that doesn't solve it, you probably do want to RMA, but is it the CPU, the mobo or RAM ?
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It would be great if AMD would see fit to release some 3D VCache Threadripper / Pro as well for TRX 50 / WRX 90, either as 16 C 3D VCache + 16 C normal Zen 4 cores, 32 C 3D VCache + 32 normal Zen 4 cores, or as pure 32 3D VCache or even pure 64 3D VCache...apart from some concerns about cannibalism of AMD's own Epyc line, this should be possible. Their Epyc server line has models with up to 96 C all 3D VCache (and up to 1152 MB of L3), all fed by 12 channel DDR5 RDIMM, so their should be some room for Threadripper / Pro models. I am running a 7950X3D / DDR5 8000 daily settings and am thrilled by that CPU and RAM combo - I can only imagine what a 32 C or 64 C mixed or pure 3D VCache would do, even with 'just' 4 or 8 channel DDR5 5200 RDIMMs.
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The DDR5 RAM was already pretty well cooled with an Arctic P12 pst fan right above it in my 670E setup, but I was rummaging around in some older boxes and found this genuine GSkill RAM cooler with dual fans, complete with blue LEDs . Believe it or not, it lowered RAM temps another 4 C - 5 C during longer RAM stress tests. Also, tightened tRDRD and tWRWR just a bit. The rest are still my 24/7 daily 8000 timings.
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Yeah, minimum for Ryzen 7K is 1.3 C Pro - anything later (ie. 1.3 F Pro_ after should work fine. Hydra Pro includes CinebenchR23 which it is why it is quite a large file. Hydra was just a touch optimistic on my system for COs but not by much...Cinebench at al ran just fun with the Hydra-recommended CO values. Aida SHA3 not so much with those values, but then, SHA3 is weird anyways
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...yeah. the only 'official' working link I have seen when searching yesterday was an even newer version, Hydra 1.5. The one @neurotix linked also appears to be newer than 1.3 C Pro so it should work - just virus-check everything re. sites ! BTW, Gigabyte / Aorus has not yet released the latest Agesa-based bios for my board - then again, they used to release bug-fixes right after an early release - hopefully, they take their time and get it right the first time with the '0.8' version. FCLK 2200 & DDR5 8000 is doable on my setup but I have it at 2167 (2175) or 219X (w/bclk) for now until the new bios for the board drops. I am also going to try some additional tRRD, tFAW and tWTR again on the weekend per you earlier post. EDIT: mobo won't let me set tFAW below 20
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...I probably prefer the Asus (and/or Gigabyte) > TRX series, preferably as TRX90s ed.: @bonami2 - some better pics of the Asus & added a pic of the Gigayte
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Per below, I tried tRRDS 8 > 6 and tFAW 32 >24 on the 7950X3D with all else the same...as expected, it did not make any difference at all outside normal run-to-run variance (I used the TimeSpy CPU test as control). IMO, the memory controller just ignores tRRDS below 8 with DDR5 (unlike DDR4)...
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...hard to diagnose long distance without more info. One thing I would try no matter what in such a situation is to unplug the PSU completely and then take the mobo battery out. That should result in a factory fresh reset (you might also want to get a spare mobo battery, just in case). Also, does your board have a dual bios ?
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IMO, .Intel is still in catch-up mode after an earlier period of mismanagement and scandals, and new designs and production facilities take a long time to get production-ready in such a behemoth, even with a proven engineer at the helm. The just-released Raptor Lake refresh is supposed to keep Intel in the consumer's mind until the real new designs are ready. I much prefer the AMD 670E platform for now since it has more genuine PCIe 5.0 lanes, never mind Zen 5 performance rumours and such. That said, I still have more Intel than AMD CPUs. I think that more than 16C/32T does not make much sense for now on a desktop due to problems' feeding the beast'...the just announced / new Threadrippers have 4 channels of DDR5 (and as few as 12 cores), the Threadripper Pros have up to 8 channel DDR5 RDIMM - handy when running 96 C / 192 T - and the Epyc server models have up to 12 channels of DDR 5 RDIMM...For work as well as play, all the AMD CPUs I have are 16C / 32 T: TR 2950X / 64 GB; 3950X / 32 GB; 5950X / 32 GB and 7950X3D / 48 GB . The 4-channel DDR 4 Samsung-B of the TR 2950X almost matches the 2x 24 GB DDR 5 of the 7950X3D in memory reads and writes... Faster & wider (> # cores) CPUs need faster & more cache which needs faster RAM which needs faster hard storage, and so it goes from cycle to cycle. Another advantage AMD has developed are the smaller Zen 4C cores which are 'like' e-cores on Intel but have the same basic micro-code as the 'regular' Zen 4, so no potential scheduler issues. The Zen 4C cores can probably mix it up with some RISC products. AMD also offers a huge range for the server world with up to 128 C / 256 T per socket, or mega-VCache versions. ----- I think I am finally finished with the various tuning options of my 7950X3D / Aorus 670E Master setup...at least for this current bios, until the new one is finalized, published and proven and stable. The board's memory topography is outstanding and my daily setting and two alternate variants either run DDR5 8000 or slightly above (absolute measured and posted max was 8200, but not stable). My normal daily setting has stock bclk, and FCLK set to 2167 (2175). The fastest FCLK I ever measured is > 2277 MHz (bottom right), but the fastest stable FCLK is 2193 (bottom center-left). The new AGESA bios is rumoured to increase FCLK and possibly RAM bandwidth, but we'll see. For now, fastest effective clock / single core CCD 0 came in at 5304 MHz (using MSFS 2020) while the fastest effective clock for single core CCD 1 came in at > 5890 MHz (below). The first stable and tested daily alternate is 'eclk' at 104 MHz set, while the second stable and tested daily alternate is 'bclk' at 102.4 set. BTW, one has to be very, very careful with bclk oc because unlike a crash in eclk oc while trying to find the limits, too optimistic a bclk oc can wreck one's FAT. I showed Cinebench R23 and R24 as well as Geekbench 6 and Aida cache and memory bench over the last couple of days so I did not include it below. Instead, below is a collage of some other benches, such as PCI Express, CrystalDiskMark, y-cruncher and SuperPi summaries. All but the bottom right 'nutty setting' are used daily in a custom water-cooled work-play setup. Fortunately, my HWBot days are behind me so I don't have to prep my shiny brand-new boards for sub-zero anymore. I still have nightmarish visions of taking a perfectly fine new mobo and lathering it in Vaseline and/or liquid electrical tape. That said, I still have my CPU and GPU pots, just in case, never mind that phase cooler that should not have a problem with a ~ 150 W or 160 W CPU
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...with dual CCDs, it is a bit of a tradeoff between bandwidth and latency, though 'I can live with it'. Per earlier post in this thread, 'nothing' will beat the latency in the lower screen
