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J7SC_Orion
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...with dual CCDs, it is a bit of a tradeoff between bandwidth and latency, though 'I can live with it'. Per earlier post in this thread, 'nothing' will beat the latency in the lower screen
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@bonami2 it all looks good on an OLED, but #2 and especially #1 !
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...new bios for my Aorus 670E Master board hasn't dropped yet but from comments by folks with boards from other vendors (ie. MSI) the beta bios released for 1.0.8.0 allows for slightly higher FCLK (~ one step) and at least as good RAM oc. Further to the Geekbench 6 results above via stress-tested eclk 104 / 8000, here are the updated Cinebench R24 results:
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...finally had some time on the weekend to tune and extensively test eclk 104 / DDR5 8000 a bit more with CO. With eclk and negative boost offset, CO is a bit more of a challenge compared to my 'regular' bclk 100 / 8000 setting. There may be a bit more room on per-core CO, but this is a highly iterative and thus time-consuming process.
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...the real fun will start with RDIMM 8-channel TR Pro setups; YT timestamp for > DDR5 ECC 6800
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@kaliz waiting for Santa...or the sale after for GSkill DDR5 8600
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moi ? 7950X3D w/stock voltage. I believe @Hurricane28 is running a 7700X per his rig sig and earlier Aida pics.
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CinebenchR23 will be under 80 C with ambient ~ 25 C. Keep in mind though that I run 3x 480mm x 64 mm triple core copper rads with push-pull fans throughout. There is also a dual-bios RTX 4090 in that loop with 667 W bios.
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...good to see that they are releasing that new Threadripper 7000 at retail to everyone November 21st (instead of exclusives at first)...but there is that pricing - I would want at least a 32 core and a really good mobo, including memory topography. I am running a 7950X3D w/ 2x 24 GB DDR5 at 8000. Getting four sticks (or even 8 sticks) of EEC RDimm DDR5 to work above 6000 might be quite a chore, but I might just try when the time comes. Next step is to watch for mobo releases for both classes by Asus, Gigabyte & Co WITH PBO and other oc features; my oc'ed TR2950X already peaks at ~ 330W so custom cooling is a must but also not too hard to do; wondering though about the compatibility of current TR full-IHS water-blocks... -
@ENTERPRISE ...some quick thoughts on Curve Optimizer (CO): You might want to wait just a bit because some vendors have started to roll out a new AMD AGESA 1.0.8.0 bios for AM5. FYI, not a good idea to use saved profiles from an older bios (take screenshots of your fav profiles, or write it on paper). I mention this because you want to be finished with the RAM tuning before doing CO....There are folks with the latest bios claiming a one-step increase in FCLK and also a gain in RAM MHz...but I cannot verify myself at this point as I am a bios upgrade 'Luddite'. For both my 5950X and 7950X3D COs, I used Hydra (Yuri), albeit different versions. There are other tools such as Corecycler. You need at least Hydra 1.3 c Pro for the Ryzen 7K, ie. > here. This version uses CinebenchR23 for its per-core CO value generations and it can take over an hour with a 16 core (and lots of rebooting). The per-core CO values Hydra will spit out work for most things, including CinebenchR23, but they are still a tad optimistic when it gets to the really tough tests, such as Aida SHA3 - there might actually be something wrong/weird about the SHA3 test, but I can get it to work with my own 'medium' Hydra setting (which is |5| off each of the per-core parameter recommended by Hydra). Another point to keep in mind before starting the per-core CO: Many upscale boards have a separate 'all-core' CO as a PBO boost in their menu and not necessarily titled CO. My 670E Aorus Master has it, and I run the max 90L5 which according to Skatterbencher is a CO of 50, per this screenshot from his YouTube vid on the matter: ...I had 90L5 on in the bios when I did the Hydra CO tests, and it is to some extent cumulative. Anyway, something to keep in mind if your MSI board has something similar...you need to decide whether you leave such enhancements on or off. Speaking of bios enhancements, over-boost in 25 MHz steps and scalar in the PBO menus should also be set, along with 'motherboard values' for PPT, TDC, EDC. This can vary significantly from CPU to CPU, but an overboost of 150 MHz is where most people typically settle. Scalar can but do not have to make a difference; I use a scalar of 7 on mine, and that is where the CPUZ comes in handy. Now, before you do the per-core Hydra, you want to assemble your testing software kit; everyone uses their own favs, but I recommend CinebenchR23 (and R24, but it takes longer), Aida - including the cache benchmark which will max some of your high-speed cores and can crash with an overly optimistic CO and of course the aforementioned SHA3 in Aida. I also use several stress tests in OCCT, and 3DM CPU profile, plus TimeSpy/Ex CPU, and CPUZ single thread and multi-threads, and 7-zip compress/de-compress benchmarks. Before you get going on per-core CO, try a few all-core CO values. If you are running stock bclk (which you should for CO baselines), start with -5 then -10, -15 etc until some of your test suite apps hang or crash. Write the last working all-core CO down somewhere. Finally, you can do the Hydra 1.3 c Pro per-core CO. As mentioned, it takes a while for a 16-core processor. It will likely show various good and some bad cores, and the latter ones are the culprits behind the all-core CO crashes when pushed too far. On my 7950X3D, even with 90L5, I had a few cores at Hydra -40, but also one at -10 and a couple at -24. Take a screenshot of the final Hydra desktop window displaying the per-core results (the Hydra log .txt file sometimes fails). Now back to your stress test suite...most of those will work fine until you hit Aida SHA3...you can back each core CO value off by a given amount and try again until SHA3 passes - but be aware that some folks just ignore SHA3 and use a per-core CO that works for everything else. Finally, I just saw a neat new app called CPU Affinity Scheduler by nukoseer/cas on GitHub >here ...there are other ways to look CPU affinity cores (ie. via Process Lasso) but from the demo I saw, it is much easier and shows you the bitmask for all 16 cores (example: core07 000000000000C000). You can then use that app to specify which core a process such as aida64.exe (or other apps) should use. I have not tried this new app myself yet, but the source which showed it usually knows what he's posting about. One more thing - if you start to use bclk (and especially eclk which my 670E Aorus also offers), your per-core CO values need to be redone; with enough eclk, a -40 CO can become a +2, apart from setting PBO overboost to underboost, such as 150 over to 230 under for eclk 104 on my setup. Good luck with the CO !
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...looking forward to help you torture yourself with CO
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When looking at the four AMD CPUs I do have (TR 2950X, 3950, 5950X and 7950X3D), the key is not so much the raw compute power (5950X and 7950X3D are up there) but the PCIe lanes and related expansion features on the motherboards for the type of productivity needs I have. That is where the socket and chipset longevity of the 'new' Threadripper boards kick in...
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From what I can gather, Hynix switched over completely to the 'new' M-die along with A-die, with an exclusive A-die period in-between separating that from the (original) M-die models. SKUs didn't really seem to change in the this transition period, so it is a guessing game unless someone has access to serial-number-production-date-input data keys. Since I only have one DDR5 kit - 2x 24 GB of new M-die 7200 which can reach > 8200 - I can't really draw too many comparative conclusions.
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...currently, there is an atmospheric river 'flowing' by outside with the rain knocking on the windows, but the 48 inch OLED - and to the left of it the dual-mobo setup - keep me entertained
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I dug this old post out (from Linustechtips.com ) which may or may not hold true... At the end of the day, RTL reminds me a bit of "tRFC (ns)" in Zen, which is a derived parameter, not set. In any case, at least this whole exercise got me to look much closer at all the nooks and crannies of my 670E Aorus Master bios; I took over 20 pics but instead, > here is the link to the pdf manual w/ bios pages
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The Aorus bios has so many nooks and crannies to begin with, but some of their parameter's names and shortforms are different. Still the values around tRTP in the screenshot above are close, IMO. In other news, after just trying DDR5 8200 for the fun of it, I used DDR5 8100 more extensively tonight; no crashes or WHEA errors so far. The only change was to bump the DDR voltage to 1.445 V
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you mean this from y Aorus 670E Master bios ? Also note @kaliz screen shot on p11
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I still have the MSI X399 Creation / TR 2950X in use...was tempted to go for TRX40 but am glad I did not due to lack of follow-up processors for that chipset. I agree that AMD has to give some firmer indication now on what happens with the new TR chipsets after the initial TR Pro 7K WX releases. BTW, there were engineering samples of the '5990' X, but AMD did not release the product to market, presumably because of lack of competition from Intel...
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I admire the DDR5 voltages some of you folks are running...per recent post, I've used up to 1.5 V once for less than 30 minutes for 8200 in an otherwise daily config. For the daily 8000, I've updated some voltages ever so slightly (per Zen on the right side). The setting on the left (GPU benching) uses the same voltages now. In addition, I have a CL 30 6400 at 1.42 V. After trying various minor timing mods for the DDR5 8000, I always come back to where it is below at the normal voltages. I am also still having fun with 'eclk' as opposed to 'bclk' on this board; I'll post some results for eclk in a bit. ...still would like to break 800 in CPUZ single thread score on regular ambient custom water cooling...not too far from it and a few more eclk tuning steps might do it.
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I read the original article in German earlier, and apart from may be decibels at full tilt (...may be), these Alphacool fans seem to be the real deal. Then again, my push-pull Arctic P12 pwm pst at ~ 1800 - 1900 rpm cost less in a five-pack than one single one these new Alphacool ones and add together for some serious cfm as a single Arctic P12 is > 56 cfm. Still, for a new build in tight quarters, these Alphacool fans might be a really interesting choice. I still have nine of the original 4.25k rpm GentleTyphoon fans - a.k.a. 'can you hear me now' - but I like less ruckus as I get older
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....double-post, but...I managed to hit DDR 8200 at stock primary timings w/o much pain ; just upped DDR voltage to 1.5 V from my daily 8000 settings at 1.425+-. Browsing around and loading up various programs wasn't a problem at 8200, though I save benchies for later; and I certainly don't think that it is fully stable w/o some other adjustments - still, this US$ 200 2 x24 GB 7600 CL36 kit keeps on giving. It can range from CL 30 6400 (1.40 V DDR) to CL 36 8200 (1.5 V) and > ?
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1.7 V is a bit too scary for my non-bencher setup; the 7600 kit currently runs at 1.425 V for 8000 and stock timings (CL36). I am going to try up to 1.55 V for short runs. I am also going to keep an eye out for a good DDR5 water-cooling block.
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Great stuff ! Also, what max memory voltages for short runs are still considered 'safe' in a well-cooled system ? My bench focus typically is 3D GPU. Tx
