Numba WAN in the world.

[Bastiaan_NL]

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Well whatever you do decide to get, I recommend a Classified or Kingpin model.

That's exactly what I was thinking, a GTX580 classified or something. 

[J7SC_Orion]

14 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

That's exactly what I was thinking, a GTX580 classified or something. 

 

I love the Classifieds (have a few GTX 780 Ti and up), especially w/EVBot   ...for the GTX 580, it might also be nice to find a > MSI Lightning Xtreme . With most custom-PCB GTX 580s, you need a really sturdy PSU if going sub-ambient or lower and pushing up the PL 

[Avacado]

3 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I love the Classifieds (have a few GTX 780 Ti and up), especially w/EVBot   ...for the GTX 580, it might also be nice to find a > MSI Lightning Xtreme . With most custom-PCB GTX 580s, you need a really sturdy PSU if going sub-ambient or lower and pushing up the PL 

I have been looking everywhere for an EVbot. Please stop making me jealous by mentioning it all the time. You know where I can find one? On the plus side, the classified tool is working perfectly with voltage now

[J7SC_Orion]

8 minutes ago, Avacado said:

I have been looking everywhere for an EVbot. Please stop making me jealous by mentioning it all the time. You know where I can find one? On the plus side, the classified tool is working perfectly with voltage now

 

...EVBots come up for sale every once in a while at HWBot (> example) or even recently at OCN (one sold last month or so). Not sure about pricing though for just the EVBot by itself (often sold in a package). Probably a lot more than US$15 a piece / new  I paid some years back - but w/ 8x older Classifieds / KPEs, I have to hold on to mine.  

[Avacado]

I'm starting to feel like Greg. This is without the 2 660s in the 775, the 3070 in the office, the 770 classy and 3 other 9 series cards on the way... Going to take a year to bench all this.

 

[damric]

25 minutes ago, Avacado said:

I'm starting to feel like Greg. This is without the 2 660s in the 775, the 3070 in the office, the 770 classy and 3 other 9 series cards on the way... Going to take a year to bench all this.

 

What gave you the itch to start benching and submitting to hwbot? I see you have been busy hard at it since you joined a few months ago.

[Bastiaan_NL]

47 minutes ago, Avacado said:

I'm starting to feel like Greg. This is without the 2 660s in the 775, the 3070 in the office, the 770 classy and 3 other 9 series cards on the way... Going to take a year to bench all this.

 

I could help you with that...
I'd pay for one card and shipping, just because

[Avacado]

28 minutes ago, damric said:

What gave you the itch to start benching and submitting to hwbot? I see you have been busy hard at it since you joined a few months ago.

No one else was doing it. Some not squashed bad blood from the ETF. Was the logical choice. Plus I love bios modding. 

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

I'm starting to feel like Greg. This is without the 2 660s in the 775, the 3070 in the office, the 770 classy and 3 other 9 series cards on the way... Going to take a year to bench all this.

 

 

...very nice & should keep you busy for a while ! 
Slippery slope though, straight from the horse's mouth

 

 

[Avacado]

3 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...very nice & should keep you busy for a while ! 
Slippery slope though, straight from the horse's mouth

 

 

Indeed. Will most likely use pots for DICE. It's easy to transport, store and there is plenty locally. Only thing holding me back is the price of the pots. Will also need thermal probe devices. Venting should be easy enough. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Avacado

[J7SC_Orion]

11 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Indeed. Will most likely use pots for DICE. It's easy to transport, store and there is plenty locally. Only thing holding me back is the price of the pots. Will also need thermal probe devices. Venting should be easy enough. 

 

I've still got a single phase cooler which would would be another option for a nice - 50C, but for hi-po GPUs or anything more than 5-10 year old 4C/8T CPUs, single phase transient response under high loads is too slow even if they eventually catch up (at which point you already crashed). Cascading phase coolers solve that, but they basically take up a garage.

 

DICE might be indeed the better option...if you go that route, try to get the 'crushed / rice kernel' sized DICE, or crush it yourself into very small pieces for much better control and temps. Still, acetone at the bottom of a pot w/ DICE can 'spit' all over the place.   

[Avacado]

My RMA'd kit of DDR5 just had a stick die. I turned on the computer in the dungeon and one of the LEDs was stuck on rainbow. Sure enough was not being recognized in CPUz. Luckily I had a spare kit on hand. I am returning for a refund. If this other kit has issues I am going back to DDR4. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Avacado

[damric]

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

No one else was doing it. Some not squashed bad blood from the ETF. Was the logical choice. Plus I love bios modding. 

Yeah I do it in bursts when I get something interesting I'll run a lot of stuff to submit, then I won't submit for a while. I'll have to run some benches with this 2700X and this Quadro M2000 as soon as it's done its 500 subs to LARS.

 

I do miss you complaining about ETF though. I learned a lot about folding from you and the others, enough that I felt comfortable enough to try making my own team. Mixed results on that but there was a moment yesterday morning when we were in 2nd place

[Avacado]

13 hours ago, damric said:

Yeah I do it in bursts when I get something interesting I'll run a lot of stuff to submit, then I won't submit for a while. I'll have to run some benches with this 2700X and this Quadro M2000 as soon as it's done its 500 subs to LARS.

 

I do miss you complaining about ETF though. I learned a lot about folding from you and the others, enough that I felt comfortable enough to try making my own team. Mixed results on that but there was a moment yesterday morning when we were in 2nd place

I'm sure you are the only one missing me complain about it  Thats the thing about folding. Once you are over the excitement of learning how to do it properly, have set your maximum OC's and lowered power consumption, that's it. You just sit back and wait for a new WU to be released that upped your PPD by 100k. I needed more. Not to say I won't try to get something folding again at some point, just not everything I have. 

 

Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it. I am sure you are going to do fine as a captain!

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Avacado

[Avacado]

Lets give it up to @Bastiaan_NL, the fastest Enthusiast Overclocker in the world. Welcome to "Numba Wan"!

 

He has been working at this for the past 2 months. If you have never done HWBot before, I have to stress just how hard it is to do and what an accomplishment it is to take the lead. I am convinced he will bring gold home to EHW this season in his league. 

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Avacado

[iamjanco]

Having hung out a few times now in what one certainly might call their regular Discord streaming sessions, I'd also say they have indeed worked very hard to accomplish this feat. Kudos to @Bastiaan_NL for pulling it off; and Kudos to @Avacadofor helping him get there. 

 

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Lets give it up to @Bastiaan_NL, the fastest Enthusiast Overclocker in the world. Welcome to "Numba Wan"!

 

He has been working at this for the past 2 months. If you have never done HWBot before, I have to stress just how hard it is to do and what an accomplishment it is to take the lead. I am convinced he will bring gold home to EHW this season in his league. 

 

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

Thanks a lot for the kind words @Avacado, a lot of time has been invested in this and it was totally worth it! 
But one thing is for sure, I couldn't have done it without your help. Spending hours teaching me and tackling issues together, it was a lot of fun and I look forward to the rest of this journey.

Also thanks to @iamjanco and @PCSarge for joining us a few times and having some fun together, which I encourage other members to do too. It's been fun talking instead of sending messages to eachother

 

PS. Taking gold is nice but keeping it is a whole different story. 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

29 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Thanks a lot for the kind words @Avacado, a lot of time has been invested in this and it was totally worth it! 
But one thing is for sure, I couldn't have done it without your help. Spending hours teaching me and tackling issues together, it was a lot of fun and I look forward to the rest of this journey.

Also thanks to @iamjanco and @PCSarge for joining us a few times and having some fun together, which I encourage other members to do too. It's been fun talking instead of sending messages to eachother

 

PS. Taking gold is nice but keeping it is a whole different story. 

 

'grats again, Bastiaan ! Per my comment > here, time to fill your thumb drive !

[PCSarge]

2 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Thanks a lot for the kind words @Avacado, a lot of time has been invested in this and it was totally worth it! 
But one thing is for sure, I couldn't have done it without your help. Spending hours teaching me and tackling issues together, it was a lot of fun and I look forward to the rest of this journey.

Also thanks to @iamjanco and @PCSarge for joining us a few times and having some fun together, which I encourage other members to do too. It's been fun talking instead of sending messages to eachother

 

PS. Taking gold is nice but keeping it is a whole different story. 

ill always be around for support dude, i will also make sure you dont do anything silly.

[Bastiaan_NL]

On 14/03/2022 at 20:25, PCSarge said:

ill always be around for support dude, i will also make sure you dont do anything silly.

I feel like I've been the one trying to slow you down for the past few days

 

Also, I finally delidded the 12900KF and relidded it with the Rockitcool copper IHS and some Conductonaut. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 04/12/2021 at 07:07, damric said:

Ok just refreshed myself on the HWBOT 3Dmark rules.

 

Firestrike: LOD/Tess driver manipulation allowed.

Ice Storm: Not allowed

Cloud Gate: Not allowed

Sky Diver: Not allowed

Time Spy: Not allowed

Vantage: Allowed

3Dm11: Allowed

 

So basically the older stuff feel free to cheat the benchmark by lowering the Tessellation and Level of Detail to nothing via driver manipulation. The 3DMark site will flag it but it does not matter for your HWBOT submission. If I remember correctly, old versions of the benchmarks didn't flag that, so it's probably allowed so that new benches are on the same level playing field.

 

I still don't know why that guy has a weird CPU-Z. Very sketchy.

There are quite a few people submitting scores on HWbot that believe 3Dmark flags for an "unapproved driver" matters. It doesn't and scores are still accepted at HWbot with that flag. All it means is that 3Dmark didn't take time to test it and add it to their list of tested drivers.

 

The story behind the LOD and tess mods being OK on older benchmarks goes back a few years now. ATI/AMD GPUs used to get much higher benchmark scores because they lacked features that allowed higher scores at the expense of image quality. By default, they did not handle tessellation and their "level of detail" was very low, so disabling those things made for a more accurate comparison. Dumbing down the graphics on an NVIDIA card to resemble the competition eliminated the "AMD cheat" rather than it being a cheat. Newer benchmarks and progress on the part of AMD is why it is only allowed on older benchmarks.

2 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

I feel like I've been the one trying to slow you down for the past few days

 

Also, I finally delidded the 12900KF and relidded it with the Rockitcool copper IHS and some Conductonaut. 

 

Congrats on the HWbot ranking. That is only achieved through time and effort, and skill. You earned and deserve it, bro. We are all happy for you.

 

I am eager to see your results on the delid. I am considering the same. Did anything about the process differ from prior generation delids?

 

I have delidded every CPU I have owned since 4960X. The only one that did not benefit greatly was 5950X. The first 3 were done using a razor blade, then RockitCool came on the scene. It was always really easy and painless up until doing so ripped the die off the CPU cores on an 11900K I had, and now I am gun shy. I guess one out of maybe 30 is a good track record, but I don't want to kill my sweet 12900K sample.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Avacado]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It was always really easy and painless up until doing so ripped the die off the CPU cores on an 11900K I had, and now I am gun shy. I guess one out of maybe 30 is a good track record, but I don't want to kill my sweet 12900K sample.

Very low risk if you pre-heat the cpu to 60-80c with a heat gun before delidding. I had never done so before the 12900KF and it made it substantially less hard this time around. Was able to use my re-work station heat gun on the hole in the delid kit. Was a perfect fit. 

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Very low risk if you pre-heat the cpu to 60-80c with a heat gun before delidding. I had never done so before the 12900KF and it made it substantially less hard this time around. Was able to use my re-work station heat gun on the hole in the delid kit. Was a perfect fit. 

That is a great idea. I wondered how clumsy it would be trying to put a hot CPU into the delid tool and cinch it down before it cooled off. I never thought of using the hole in the tool with the soldering station. That would give me a  good excuse to break out my hot air station. Since I don't do any laptop modding any more and there was no need to shunt mod my Kingpin GPU, I seldom have a reason to get it out of the closet.  Did you use an infrared thermometer to check the temperature of the IHS pointing the laser dot through the hole?

 

Had I done that on the 11900K it probably would not have torn the die off the PCB/cores.

 

Brother @Bastiaan_NL what is this product? The label is not familiar to me and I cannot read enough info on it.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Bastiaan_NL]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am eager to see your results on the delid. I am considering the same. Did anything about the process differ from prior generation delids?

 

I have delidded every CPU I have owned since 4960X. The only one that did not benefit greatly was 5950X. The first 3 were done using a razor blade, then RockitCool came on the scene. It was always really easy and painless up until doing so ripped the die off the CPU cores on an 11900K I had, and now I am gun shy. I guess one out of maybe 30 is a good track record, but I don't want to kill my sweet 12900K sample.

I'm working on 3 cores + HT, so not much information on the max temp for now.

As far as the process, I only did a 7700k before this one. With the Rockitcool kit it's really easy to do, great quality kit and everything besides LM is included.

No need to be afraid of messing up a CPU if you follow the instructions or join us on Discord so we can do it together.

 

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Very low risk if you pre-heat the cpu to 60-80c with a heat gun before delidding. I had never done so before the 12900KF and it made it substantially less hard this time around. Was able to use my re-work station heat gun on the hole in the delid kit. Was a perfect fit. 

I tried preheating the IHS but the hole in the delid tool is too little for my heatgun. Even without heating it was not bad, though it's a bit scary at first.

 

58 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is a great idea. I wondered how clumsy it would be trying to put a hot CPU into the delid tool and cinch it down before it cooled off. I never thought of using the hole in the tool with the soldering station. That would give me a  good excuse to break out my hot air station. Since I don't do any laptop modding any more and there was no need to shunt mod my Kingpin GPU, I seldom have a reason to get it out of the closet.  Did you use an infrared thermometer to check the temperature of the IHS pointing the laser dot through the hole?

 

Had I done that on the 11900K it probably would not have torn the die off the PCB/cores.

 

Brother @Bastiaan_NL what is this product? The label is not familiar to me and I cannot read enough info on it.

That's rapid glue, a common brand over here in Europe but not so much on the other side of the ocean I guess

Edited April 16, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[iamjanco]

4 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

I feel like I've been the one trying to slow you down for the past few days

 

Also, I finally delidded the 12900KF and relidded it with the Rockitcool copper IHS and some Conductonaut. 

 

 

Great stuff (and again, congrats!)! Got some questions:

 

1. How long is the Conductonaut application typically good for (length of time between refreshes)? 
2. Do you use Conductonaut on the outside of the copper ihs as well (between the block and the top of the ihs)?
3. Do you change out the copper ihs with a new one each delid/refresh?
4. Which block are you using? Copper, nickel plated, etc.?

 

You've probably mentioned the answers to all of these in one place or another already; but my old eyes have been tiring out quickly lately and I'm afraid I'm going to need a cane to get around my workbench before too long  .  As always, TIA!