Forums first comp: CPUz Benchmark

[The Pook]

15 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Oh, c'mon. He's got me by 30 years. He's a boomer for cryin out loud. Where you at in the souf?

 

NC, and I meant you were my brother you nincompoop. D'Jango is my and @486's dad too. that's why he's sending me a 3090 Ti 

 

right @iamjanco

[Avacado]

10 minutes ago, The Pook said:

 

NC, and I meant you were my brother you nincompoop. D'Jango is my and @486's dad too. that's why he's sending me a 3090 Ti 

 

right @iamjanco

Huh. I don't think I knew you were in North Kakalaka too. Asheville. 

[The Pook]

6 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Huh. I don't think I knew you were in North Kakalaka too. Asheville. 

 

there's dozens of us! Dingus @486 is in NC too 

 

I'm moving in a few weeks though so you two can duke it out and decide who's king of NC  

[Bastiaan_NL]

On 10/01/2022 at 20:07, Bastiaan_NL said:

Everything stock

Before AMD Chipset driver update

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After AMD Chipset driver update

 

A little update on the main system: Still stock clocks but cleaned up a few things. 

663.1 single, 6688.4 multi, 7351.5 total. 126.3 points difference, again for 5 minutes of work.

 

A decent difference in single thread between the 5800x and the 3950x (150ish points), good choice I went for this one in the main/gaming pc  

And after taking a look at all the results it's #4 overall with single core at stock speeds..

[EHW Ai]

15 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Tonight again will be the coldest night of the winter (by far). My coolant is only good to -25*F so I'm pushing my luck a bit but I have no doubts (in theory) that I should be able to break a personal best or two, and also hopefully up my single core speed here a bit more....

 

 

We might be neighbors of a sort if you're in Saranac Lake. I'm in ETown.

 

 

@AvacadoOnly if your mom was in what was West Germany back in the day (I got around a lot back then and made more than my fair share of moves, rhetorically & figuratively speaking) 

 

@The Pook I'm nol talking to you until you make me number 2 again.

 

[damric]

Ok I finally had a few minutes to play with this 2700x. Here's somewhat tuned RAM, Auto core clocks (with core performance boost) +102 base clock. Will try again later after I stability test this setting for RAM.

 

478/5344

 

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4309.63 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

VALID.X86.FR

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[pnee9u] Validated Dump by damric (2022-01-15 15:38:27) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 32768 MB

 

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

1 hour ago, iamjanco said:

@AvacadoOnly if your mom was in what was West Germany back in the day (I got around a lot back then and made more than my fair share of moves, rhetorically & figuratively speaking) 

So you could be my father too... 

 

@damric I need to start doing some overclocking on my cpu's too, would be my first time since my 7700k.. 

[J7SC_Orion]

8 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

A little update on the main system: Still stock clocks but cleaned up a few things. 

663.1 single, 6688.4 multi, 7351.5 total. 126.3 points difference, again for 5 minutes of work.

 

A decent difference in single thread between the 5800x and the 3950x (150ish points), good choice I went for this one in the main/gaming pc  

And after taking a look at all the results it's #4 overall with single core at stock speeds..

 

...'at stock speeds' ? Oh, the humanity of it all

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...'at stock speeds' ? Oh, the humanity of it all

 

It seems like a strange concept to those of us that essentially never run any computer stock. I overclock everything whether it needs it or not and if it won't overclock I don't want it and generally won't buy one. 

[Bastiaan_NL]

It is a bit funny, I used to love overclocking CPU's and never did a GPU when I started working on computers.
Nowadays I love overclocking GPU's and I don't like overclocking CPU's anymore. Maybe because I've been away for a few years and have no clue what I'm doing

I'd love to spend some time in person with someone who knows what he's doing, overclocking together to understand it a bit better. But for now you'll have to do with me and my 'stock clocks'!

 

Update before @Storm-Chaser updates the previous submission
670.2 single and 6774.5 multi, 7444.7 total with 102 bclk 4947mhz is the max I've seen. Another 93.2 points..

Edited January 15, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

35 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

It is a bit funny, I used to love overclocking CPU's and never did a GPU when I started working on computers.
Nowadays I love overclocking GPU's and I don't like overclocking CPU's anymore. Maybe because I've been away for a few years and have no clue what I'm doing

I'd love to spend some time in person with someone who knows what he's doing, overclocking together to understand it a bit better. But for now you'll have to do with me and my 'stock clocks'!

 

...the latest crop of CPUs (and even GPUs) are already very 'factory-oc'ed' anyway via boost algorithms, PBO and the like - I'm not in Kansas anymore...

 

...the best you can do for normal multi-use system for work, play and bench is 'go overboard' on custom cooling as temps are a major algo input parameter, and also play with Power Limit envelopes. 'The factory' however has already exploited a lot of the slack you used to be able to extract within old-school o'cing. It's still somewhat different for sub-zero but it is probably quite hard to play Crysis for hours while topping up LN2 in the CPU and GPU pots w/o causing a cold-bug 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Storm-Chaser]

All I know is the forecast for my loop is slush. I keep having problems after about 20 minutes of my loop partly freezing / slushing. Not in danger of cracking anything, just Need less water and more antifreeze. 

 

When that happens my temps begin to idle above 100 so I am seeing if I can change the ratio now so I can run it outside again later tonight.

 

I did just hit 688 single core but could not get a screenshot in time. 

 

EDIT: Slush issue resolved for the moment. Running a 1 hour torture test to put some heat back in the loop before I try going below zero again. (and I should be good down to -30 now)

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

All I know is the forecast for my loop is slush. I keep having problems after about 20 minutes of my loop partly freezing / slushing. Not in danger of cracking anything, just Need less water and more antifreeze. 

 

When that happens my temps begin to idle above 100 so I am seeing if I can change the ratio now so I can run it outside again later tonight.

 

I did just hit 688 single core but could not get a screenshot in time. 

 

EDIT: Slush issue resolved for the moment. Running a 1 hour torture test to put some heat back in the loop before I try going below zero again. (and I should be good down to -30 now)

 

 

 

One thing to keep in mind w/ both antifreeze and slush build-up are the o-rings in your block (and perhaps even the materials of your soft tubing). Some types of anti-freeze can erode those, albeit slowly, over time. I remember reading that a certain type of Rain-X ('rust colour') is safe for this kind of thing, but can't find the reference to it right now. Also be careful with slush ('ice') as the sharp bits can actually strip nickel coating etc. inside blocks / micro-fins, never mind cause localized heat soak via blockage.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Storm-Chaser]

I did get this validation but still working on single core not quite where I want it yet...

EDIT: Will update leaderboard tomorrow no time today to deal with that... 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[Storm-Chaser]

4 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

One thing to keep in mind w/ both antifreeze and slush build-up are the o-rings in your block (and perhaps even the materials of your soft tubing). Some types of anti-freeze can erode those, albeit slowly, over time. I remember reading that a certain type of Rain-X ('rust colour') is safe for this kind of thing, but can't find the reference to it right now. Also be careful with slush ('ice') as the sharp bits can actually strip nickel coating etc. inside blocks / micro-fins, never mind cause localized heat soak via blockage.

 

 

Yes I had the rig back inside the garage for the past hour. Everything was back to nominal operation, however, after 20 minutes outside I'm AGAIN running into high temps. The heat exchanger could also be compromised with slush on the "cold" side. Keep in mind this is a passive chiller type setup (which is insane that I can still hit really high clocks with) so I think what I need to do is make it "active" by installing a submersible pump and cycling the cold anti-freeze from the 5 gallon bucket, dial in my setup a little more for the cold temps then try again. 

 

 

[damric]

Don't freeze your nuggets off, but that was impressive overclock.

[Mr. Fox]

I used to bench my overclocked laptops outside in the winter when I lived in Washington and Oregon, but I live in the Phoenix area now and there's really no such thing as cold weather. They have something they call winter, but it's really only cool weather, not winter weather. 40-50°F does seem cold when 115-120°F is normal.

Edited January 16, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Storm-Chaser]

Im going to order two more barrow pumps next month and a submersible 1000L/H pump (AC powered) that will go in the 5-gallon bucket "cold side" of my liquid to liquid heat exchanger to prevent the slush problem on that side of the loop. Also putting the passive 240mm rad back in the loop. It was disconnected because I wanted to keep my flow rate up a little higher. But with the secondary pumps (lol I already have three in the loop) I should have no problem pushing and pulling the coolant at a very fast rate through the loop. The primary restriction in my loop is the heatkiller water block, which is really annoying and gets on my nerves a lot.

 

The heatkiller all copper water block is already high maintenance. I have to disassemble it and scrub it down/clean the micro channels about once a month if I want to keep it at maximum performance. It's about due for another cleaning right now in fact. This block performs ok but the micro channel cuts are much more narrow that you might expect, making an easy target for restrictions, whether that be slush or just gunk build up.... (that's how it has more surface area in more or less the same given space as it's competition). 

 

Questions:

Can I run methanol in my custom loop here? The advantage I see with this is it's much less viscous than anti-freeze. This will improve flow rate and at the same time my pumps wont have to work as hard. 

 

What else can I do to stabilize this CPU at 5730MHz? I think this is about the hard limit of the chip in terms of benching CPU z (so if I can get it a little more stable at this speed I should be able to get close to 700 on single core.) Requires a voltage of around 1.55-1.62 and I have NB at 4500 and SA and IO voltages at 1.4. Ram at 15-15-15-35 320 at 1.55 volts and 4200MHz  (b-die, patriot viper steel c19 4133)

 

LLC for this kind of scenario? I have an MSI MEG Z390 ACE and I typically run setting 3 which keeps the voltage more or less stable from idle/load. Perhaps I will try auto next to see how the board responds to vdroop under load. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Storm-Chaser]

2 hours ago, damric said:

Don't freeze your nuggets off, but that was impressive overclock.

Thanks - I worked pretty hard on that. It's the fastest 9600KF on HWBOT in terms of frequency, but when compared with the identical 9600K, I'm only about 4th or 5th on that list. The significant take way here is that every rig above me is running liquid nitrogen. Meaning I have the fastest 9600K/9600KF with a conventional loop. The 9600K is a very sick processor with huge overclock potential (that's why I favor it over the 9900K), it has a very high OC ceiling, making it ideal for use with a chiller on cold nights like tonight. I hit over 5.8 GHz before, but even now I think it has some more left in the tank, especially if I can tune my chiller setup for -25 degree weather. 

 

It's the best of both worlds. I put the computer and 5 gallon chiller bucket outside, and run the cables under the garage door. Inside it's 75*F because I have a wood burning stove right next to me. Very comfortable for me. Also the msi board has an interesting feature where if the system hangs, I can cycle the PSU and it will force a reboot (it wont just shut down so long as you click power back on within a few seconds)... meaning I never have to go outside in the cold to reset it. I can just use the switch on the surge protector to cycle it.

 

Another trick is to place a box fan in front of the computer while it's outside. That will easily get your motherboard down to 0*C. Talk about making a difference. Best I can muster with the PC indoors (and just the chiller outside) is about 5640MHz, which is still pretty good but not great. 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Im going to order two more barrow pumps next month and a submersible 1000L/H pump (AC powered) that will go in the 5-gallon bucket "cold side" of my liquid to liquid heat exchanger to prevent the slush problem on that side of the loop. Also putting the passive 240mm rad back in the loop. It was disconnected because I wanted to keep my flow rate up a little higher. But with the secondary pumps (lol I already have three in the loop) I should have no problem pushing and pulling the coolant at a very fast rate through the loop. The primary restriction in my loop is the heatkiller water block, which is really annoying and gets on my nerves a lot.

 

The heatkiller all copper water block is already high maintenance. I have to disassemble it and scrub it down/clean the micro channels about once a month if I want to keep it at maximum performance. It's about due for another cleaning right now in fact. This block performs ok but the micro channel cuts are much more narrow that you might expect, making an easy target for restrictions, whether that be slush or just gunk build up.... (that's how it has more surface area in more or less the same given space as it's competition). 

 

Questions:

Can I run methanol in my custom loop here? The advantage I see with this is it's much less viscous than anti-freeze. This will improve flow rate and at the same time my pumps wont have to work as hard. 

 

What else can I do to stabilize this CPU at 5730MHz? I think this is about the hard limit of the chip in terms of benching CPU z (so if I can get it a little more stable at this speed I should be able to get close to 700 on single core.) Requires a voltage of around 1.55-1.62 and I have NB at 4500 and SA and IO voltages at 1.4. Ram at 15-15-15-35 320 at 1.55 volts and 4200MHz  (b-die, patriot viper steel c19 4133)

 

LLC for this kind of scenario? I have an MSI MEG Z390 ACE and I typically run setting 3 which keeps the voltage more or less stable from idle/load. Perhaps I will try auto next to see how the board responds to vdroop under load. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FYI, I would be very careful with methanol... There's the compatibility of the o-rings and other materials in your loop(s) I already alluded to before.

 

Also, with continued high voltage and amps, some components may eventually let go with a bang / flash (been there)...with that in mind, methanol ignites easily but the flame is very hard to see.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Storm-Chaser]

37 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

FYI, I would be very careful with methanol... There's the comparability of the o-rings and other materials in your loop(s) I already alluded to before.

 

Also, with continued high voltage and amps, some components may eventually let go with a bang / flash (been there)...with that in mind, methanol ignites easily but the flame is very hard to see.

I keep a very close eye on the reservoir(s). I can tell almost instantly if I have a leak from somewhere in the loop. What I did with this particular build was went back and tightened up all the compression collars a tew weeks later. I also use mechanical advantage on all the other fittings in the system. i.e. I put a small amount of grease on the o-rings and locked everything down.

[Bastiaan_NL]

5 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Thanks - I worked pretty hard on that. It's the fastest 9600KF on HWBOT in terms of frequency, but when compared with the identical 9600K, I'm only about 4th or 5th on that list. The significant take way here is that every rig above me is running liquid nitrogen. Meaning I have the fastest 9600K/9600KF with a conventional loop. The 9600K is a very sick processor with huge overclock potential (that's why I favor it over the 9900K), it has a very high OC ceiling, making it ideal for use with a chiller on cold nights like tonight. I hit over 5.8 GHz before, but even now I think it has some more left in the tank, especially if I can tune my chiller setup for -25 degree weather. 

 

It's the best of both worlds. I put the computer and 5 gallon chiller bucket outside, and run the cables under the garage door. Inside it's 75*F because I have a wood burning stove right next to me. Very comfortable for me. Also the msi board has an interesting feature where if the system hangs, I can cycle the PSU and it will force a reboot (it wont just shut down so long as you click power back on within a few seconds)... meaning I never have to go outside in the cold to reset it. I can just use the switch on the surge protector to cycle it.

 

Another trick is to place a box fan in front of the computer while it's outside. That will easily get your motherboard down to 0*C. Talk about making a difference. Best I can muster with the PC indoors (and just the chiller outside) is about 5640MHz, which is still pretty good but not great. 

Sounds like a lot of fun, sitting by the stove overclocking and benchmarking

Ethylene Glycol could work as additive but only if you don't have any acrylic in the loop as far as this sheet tells me: https://mykin.com/rubber-chemical-resistance-chart-3

That's what we use as antifreeze in marine diesel engines, 30% gives you about -15°C protection (so you'll need a little more). Just don't drink it... Maybe the pro watercoolers here know a thing or two that I don't, but at least I know it doesn't burn

 

And a little update (I think the final one) on the 4700HQ, 367.1 single and 1803.8 multi, 2170.9 combined (best out of 5 runs). Enough to beat @pioneerisloud with his FX 8350
30ish points difference between an 8 years old windows 8 and a fresh windows 10, I expected a bit more to be honest.
Not many options in the bios, so I think this is it for the slowest still decent hardware I own..

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[Cerberus]

23 hours ago, damric said:

Ok I finally had a few minutes to play with this 2700x. Here's somewhat tuned RAM, Auto core clocks (with core performance boost) +102 base clock. Will try again later after I stability test this setting for RAM.

 

478/5344

 

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4309.63 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

VALID.X86.FR

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[pnee9u] Validated Dump by damric (2022-01-15 15:38:27) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 32768 MB

 

 

edit: I misread weird you got a lower score with faster ram and a faster clock. Im at 4.2/3200CL16 with a score of 468/5056.1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Cerberus

[damric]

29 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

edit: I misread weird you got a lower score with faster ram and a faster clock. Im at 4.2/3200CL16 with a score of 468/5056.1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure there were some stability issues there. I'm yet to figure out a fast stable configuration for the 2700x for 24/7. Then I'll work on max bench clocks unstable who cares lol.

 

@JosephStewartPE Any comments on the slush fest in NY?

[Storm-Chaser]

On 14/01/2022 at 21:59, The Pook said:

 

NC, and I meant you were my brother you nincompoop. D'Jango is my and @486's dad too. that's why he's sending me a 3090 Ti 

 

right @iamjanco

@The Pookwhy dont you put down a good number and join in on the fun! Lets see what you got.