Build Log - Sir B's Black/White/Gold O11-Dynamic

[Sir Beregond]

Cool, got it to submit. Really gotta work on CPU/RAM now I think. Thanks @Avacado.

 

Oh, and undervolting the 3080 Ti, haven't tried that yet.

Edited June 21, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[bwalker36]

Skimming through this entire thread @Sir BeregondI am extremely inspired to do my first custom loop.  Maybe bday/xmas gift to myself.  

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, bwalker36 said:

Skimming through this entire thread @Sir BeregondI am extremely inspired to do my first custom loop.  Maybe bday/xmas gift to myself.  

Wow, thank you! Just remember once you go in, its hard to come back out. That said, if you like working with that sort of stuff, totally worth it.

 

[bwalker36]

6 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Wow, thank you! Just remember once you go in, its hard to come back out. That said, if you like working with that sort of stuff, totally worth it.

 

 

I have come close a few times, but the maintenance aspect of custom loops has always been the thing that made me say no.  I love to tinker and this is way cheaper then my other tinker hobby lol. 

[Sir Beregond]

Been wanting a better fan controller. Just put in an order for an Aquacomputer Octo at ModMyMods.

[Avacado]

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Been wanting a better fan controller. Just put in an order for an Aquacomputer Octo at ModMyMods.

It's going to change your life. 

[Sir Beregond]

On 15/06/2022 at 10:40, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Looking good !

 

...sorry, just stick with the term 'PBO'. I sometimes use the '/2' solely because I run a 2950X, 3950X and 5950X and there differences in the PBO versions.

 

...CinebenchR23 was released before Windows 11, so it calls it Windows 10 (build 22000).

 

...can you add a ZenTimings screenshot ? Looking not only for timing but voltages (ie. around SoC)

 

When all this is done (looks like you're well on your way!), then you can also explore DynamicOC, and option that sets the Dark Hero board apart, as well as Curve Optimizer.

Forgot to follow-up, here's my Zen Timings. RAM is still stock at DOCP for the 3600 kit. From what I am reading online, sounds like I bought a crappy RAM kit.  

 

 

Also, wasn't sure what kind of RAM this was, looks like Hynix:

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Sir Beregond]

So the Octo will be here on Friday. From what I understand, I can hook my flow meter to it and create curves based on coolant temps in Aquasuite right? 

 

Also saw it came with a temp probe. Any recommendations for use, or is that sort of redundant with the flow/temp meter attached?

Edited June 29, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Avacado]

6 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

So the Octo will be here on Friday. From what I understand, I can hook my flow meter to it and create curves based on coolant temps in Aquasuite right? 

 

Also saw it came with a temp probe. Any recommendations for use, or is that sort of redundant with the flow/temp meter attached?

Absolutely you can. I use the thermal probe for monitoring ambient, but you can place it wherever you like. There is no limit to the things you can do with Aqusuite. I spent hours creating custom GUI read outs when I first got mine, then got lazy and stopped. 

 

Best is to take a 10k stop fitting thermal probe or just a fitting probe and hook it up to one of the 4 2 pin temp plugs and create curves based on that

 

Edited June 29, 2022 by Avacado

[Sir Beregond]

3 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Absolutely you can. I use the thermal probe for monitoring ambient, but you can place it wherever you like. There is no limit to the things you can do with Aqusuite. I spent hours creating custom GUI read outs when I first got mine, then got lazy and stopped. 

That's a good idea, where would one place it for ambient monitoring?

 

Yeah I would have been fine with a Quadro, but they were out of stock and figured, well never know when I might expand on fans in the future.

[Avacado]

1 minute ago, Sir Beregond said:

That's a good idea, where would one place it for ambient monitoring?

 

Yeah I would have been fine with a Quadro, but they were out of stock and figured, well never know when I might expand on fans in the future.

I keep one wedged between a 120mm fan and it's rad. But not actually touching the rad surface. 

Edited June 29, 2022 by Avacado

[J7SC_Orion]

22 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Forgot to follow-up, here's my Zen Timings. RAM is still stock at DOCP for the 3600 kit. From what I am reading online, sounds like I bought a crappy RAM kit.  

 

 

Also, wasn't sure what kind of RAM this was, looks like Hynix:

 

 

...re. voltages (top right in Zen timings), looks good...still, you might want to see if you can bring VDDG IOD to 1.0v, but not absolutely necessary. tRFC, tRFC2 & 4 could be lowered, ditto for primaries, but I think these are your 'stock' settings, before OC ?

[Sir Beregond]

9 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...re. voltages (top right in Zen timings), looks good...still, you might want to see if you can bring VDDG IOD to 1.0v, but not absolutely necessary. tRFC, tRFC2 & 4 could be lowered, ditto for primaries, but I think these are your 'stock' settings, before OC ?

Yeah this is all stock settings. I've never really messed with RAM before so this is totally new to me.

[Sir Beregond]

Octo came in on Friday. Was shipped in a padded envelope instead of a box and gotta say the box was quite smashed, but everything looks to be ok with the controller and contents within thankfully. Hope to play around with that this week. Been a busy weekend between doing a front and rear brake job yesterday, and some family stuff today and tomorrow.

[Sir Beregond]

Ok Octo is installed as is Aquasuite, and man what a pain in the ass that was. Let me explain...

 

The USB 2.0 headers on the Dark Hero are on the bottom...blocked by my bottom 360GTS radiator. So that necessitated doing a partial drain of the system and then isolating the bottom rad from everything else while capping everything with a stop plug. Then I was able to unscrew the bottom rad and move it to allow access to the header. Great got it installed, reinstalled the rad, tubing, flow meter, refilled the system, and started. Uh-oh...system shutting down due to USB over-current protection. Crap...installed the header backwards. So...proceeded to do all of this again, flip the header, reinstall everything, refill the system again, and there we go. Fixed.

 

Now comes the other things I need to figure out. Can't plug my Barrowch flow meter into the Octo, looks like I will need an adapter. So as far as I can tell, Aquasuite is not able to read any flow settings without it plugged into it (it is currently plugged into the motherboard). 

 

Second issue, my pump plugged into the Octo doesn't seem to be able to power fully. At what Aquasuite is considering to be "100%", I am getting a flow rate of what the pump was getting at what was considered 80% power using the motherboard. So I am at a loss on that one. Flow is still fine, but I seem to be unable to actually max out the pump.

 

Will have to play around some more, and look for an adapter for the temp/flow meter. The pump problem has me a bit perplexed.

[Avacado]

7 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Ok Octo is installed as is Aquasuite, and man what a pain in the ass that was. Let me explain...

 

The USB 2.0 headers on the Dark Hero are on the bottom...blocked by my bottom 360GTS radiator. So that necessitated doing a partial drain of the system and then isolating the bottom rad from everything else while capping everything with a stop plug. Then I was able to unscrew the bottom rad and move it to allow access to the header. Great got it installed, reinstalled the rad, tubing, flow meter, refilled the system, and started. Uh-oh...system shutting down due to USB over-current protection. Crap...installed the header backwards. So...proceeded to do all of this again, flip the header, reinstall everything, refill the system again, and there we go. Fixed.

 

Now comes the other things I need to figure out. Can't plug my Barrowch flow meter into the Octo, looks like I will need an adapter. So as far as I can tell, Aquasuite is not able to read any flow settings without it plugged into it (it is currently plugged into the motherboard). 

 

Second issue, my pump plugged into the Octo doesn't seem to be able to power fully. At what Aquasuite is considering to be "100%", I am getting a flow rate of what the pump was getting at what was considered 80% power using the motherboard. So I am at a loss on that one. Flow is still fine, but I seem to be unable to actually max out the pump.

 

Will have to play around some more, and look for an adapter for the temp/flow meter. The pump problem has me a bit perplexed.

Yes, that sounds like a major PITA. I have done that before (Plugging in USB the wrong way) with my OCTO before too. 

 

Ok, so Aquasuite can read HWinfo64 readings. If you open HWinfo64, you can have aquasuite read your flow meter from the RPM header on the MOBO measured by HWinfo. 

 

I don't know what to say about the Pump not operating at 100%, that is weird and iv'e never had that issue. But if it is a concern, just unplug the PWM cable from the OCTO and the pump will run at 100%. 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Avacado

[Sir Beregond]

On 11/07/2022 at 07:32, Avacado said:

Yes, that sounds like a major PITA. I have done that before (Plugging in USB the wrong way) with my OCTO before too. 

 

Ok, so Aquasuite can read HWinfo64 readings. If you open HWinfo64, you can have aquasuite read your flow meter from the RPM header on the MOBO measured by HWinfo. 

 

I don't know what to say about the Pump not operating at 100%, that is weird and iv'e never had that issue. But if it is a concern, just unplug the PWM cable from the OCTO and the pump will run at 100%. 

Oh interesting, will try that with HWInfo64 then.

 

Well its not that I want the pump to run 100% all the time, I was hoping to create some different profiles, for example, one where I do max out everything (fans and pump) for benchmark/OC runs. So really at a loss for why it is not properly reading the pump.

 

EDIT: So I just updated my Aquasuite software and it now reads my pump at 100% still but flow meter dropped to about 3L/min. Seriously no idea what's going on with this.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Sir Beregond]

So I wonder if the problem I am having with my pump is because I have it plugged into #8 fan header on the Octo. I am noticing one thing peculiar. For each bank of 3 fans - header 1, 2, 3, I am losing 100 RPMs (as reported in Aquasuite) from header 1 to 2, to 3 at any given shared power percentage. So by the time I got to my pump, it says 100%, but it is definitely only running around the flow rate of ~80%. Is this expected behavior, or do you think the power delivery with my Octo setup is not working right?

 

Also noticing HWInfo64 won't read my flow meter header on the Dark Hero, going to have to figure out what's going on there.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Sir Beregond]

Been playing around with PBO, doing a slight undervolt, curve optimizer, etc.

 

Squeezed a bit more out so far on first play with this. Now getting 3 cores hitting 4.975GHz, 4 cores hitting in the 4.8xx's, and everything else in the 4.6xx's while running R23 multi-core. Got some more playing around to do. Wanted to get a feel for which were the stronger cores vs the weaker cores.

 

 

EDIT: And yet not hitting 22k still. No idea how I was when this first was built with DOCP and PBO enabled. Haven't hit it since. Makes me wonder if Windows 11 did something.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Sir Beregond]

With some more tweaking, got it even higher. Now under 300 points away from 23000 in R23 for multi-core.

 

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What I really still need to do as well is RAM tuning and @Avacado was mentioning the Infinity Fabric. 

[neurotix]

Any pictures of your finished build in this thread? What page?

[Sir Beregond]

44 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Any pictures of your finished build in this thread? What page?

Fairly recent shots, though my SW3's are reinstalled at the top and those RGB fans re-purposed to another rig.

 

 

[Avacado]

Purdy. 

[neurotix]

7 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Fairly recent shots, though my SW3's are reinstalled at the top and those RGB fans re-purposed to another rig.

 

 

 

That looks fantastic. Mad respect for the hard tubing watercooling and loop.

 

With my pain issues there's just no way for me to be able to do a build like this, mostly because of the maintenance and I probably couldn't carry it with the loop full. Never done custom watercooling. I have some idea how and the theory and could probably do it with soft tubing to start, but pc parts are expensive enough nowadays let alone custom loop components. I'll just be happy if I can get my hands on a RTX 4090. And of course the wife and savings factor into this and why I can't as well She's the one who works, I spend her money so yeah..

Edited December 13, 2022 by neurotix

[Sir Beregond]

2 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

That looks fantastic. Mad respect for the hard tubing watercooling and loop.

 

With my pain issues there's just no way for me to be able to do a build like this, mostly because of the maintenance and I probably couldn't carry it with the loop full. Never done custom watercooling. I have some idea how and the theory and could probably do it with soft tubing to start, but pc parts are expensive enough nowadays let alone custom loop components. I'll just be happy if I can get my hands on a RTX 4090. And of course the wife and savings factor into this and why I can't as well

Thank you so much.

 

It was my first attempt at hard tubing and definitely shows in some areas. I think I'd redo it again in the future with fewer 90-bends especially in that pump to CPU block run. In fact I might plumb it completely the other way with the return going up through the top of the res. I'm not sure. I kinda like how @Avacado plumbed his recent O11-D XL.

 

I totally get it. This is indeed very heavy when moving and I find it a much bigger pain to drain fully vs my soft tubing builds of the past. If you ever did get into wanting to do even a simple CPU loop, happy to help provide tips, and I would definitely stick with a soft tubing EPDM/norprene (think Tygon A-60-G industrial) tubing for ease of use and maintenance.