Upgrading to 5900x or wait?

[neurotix]

Hey all. With vendors clearing stock of Ryzen 5000 series and the R9 5900x being available at my local Microcenter for $329, I am considering upgrading my R9 3900x then selling it on ebay to offset the cost a little bit.

 

I already know that the 5900x is about 25% more powerful single thread in games. I sticking with AM4 until DDR5 is cheaper and Zen 5 comes out (probably 2025).

 

What I'm wondering is, what are the real chances of a 5900x3D coming out? Which would offer an additional 25% performance in games? The 5800x3D is more expensive and I don't want to go from 24 threads to 16.

 

It seems like its now or never to get a 5900x and with Zen 4 launching soon, will AMD really compete with itself by releasing more AM4 chips with 3D V-Cache?

 

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

[pio]

I'm not one to tell you DON'T upgrade, but honestly the biggest difference I saw going from a Ryzen 3600 to a 5800x was the increase in thread count.  The IPC increase is there, sure, but it really didn't matter that terribly much, at least not in my uses.

 

If you can make the upgrade cheap, go for it.  It's not the worst upgrade you could do.  If your sig rig is up to date though, I'd say GPU upgrade would be more beneficial honestly.  4.65GHz / 1900 FCLK 1:1 with your RAM is absolutely more than sufficient with a 3900x.

 

The biggest reason I upgraded was because I bought a 6900XT.  And yes, with a higher end GPU setup, I saw gains in my MINIMUM framerates going from a 3600 to a 5800x.  Not enough to be worth the upgrade (in my opinion), but hey, why not?

Edited November 16, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[neurotix]

I figure with how cheap a 5900x is currently, it would give me something to bench for HWBOT. Sig rig is up to date, yes. My question is still about the chances of AMD releasing a X3D version though.

 

GPU upgrade might happen too and is necessary since I want to hit 144 fps in Forza Horizon 4 & 5. Both of which are DirectX 12 and don't utilize my 2nd card. Even turning settings to medium or low in Horizon 5, my 1080ti only hit around 80fps in the ingame benchmark. My monitor is an Acer Costco special from a year or two back- 144hz FreeSync HDR 3440x1440 curved Ultrawide.

 

I am looking at the RTX 4090 which has over twice the shaders of my two 1080ti put together. However I am weary because of the connector melting issue. Also sold out at my local Microcenter. I worry about my PSU being able to provide up to 600w on one 12v rail (its a CM V1000 that only has 6+2 pin cables meaning I'd need to use an included adapter). We might wait til they resolve the melting connector issue so it might not be til next year, and that's if we can get and reserve one at Microcenter.

Edited November 16, 2022 by neurotix

[UltraMega]

If its for gaming, no. I went from a 3700x to a 5800x and I cannot tell the difference at all for games. I don't think going from ryzen 3000 to 5000 just for the ipc is worth it at all. 

[damric]

I don't think anymore v-cache skus are coming to AM4.

 

I'm also looking at either 5900x or 5800X3D, but I'll wait until they are even cheaper because I don't really need one, just want one.

[pio]

27 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

If its for gaming, no. I went from a 3700x to a 5800x and I cannot tell the difference at all for games. I don't think going from ryzen 3000 to 5000 just for the ipc is worth it at all. 

This.  Unless you're REALLY paying attention to your minimum framerates, you'll notice zero difference in gaming.  With 1080Ti's, you won't notice a single bit of difference at all anyway, the minimum FPS differences would come with a faster GPU.  At 3440x1440, you desperately need a GPU upgrade (for gaming).  The 1080's are still decent cards, but at 1080p today, regular 1080p.  I'm at 5120x1440, and my 6900XT (which is between a 3080Ti / 3090Ti ish?), is not QUITE enough to literally max everything either.  Granted, if I were at 3440x1440, I'd probably be much happier with my framerates than I am now.  Forza games run beautifully though.  So you might consider a 3090 or 3090Ti perhaps?

 

Now, if its for hwbot or just because, by all means the 5000 series are great CPU's and I have no complaints about my own upgrade.  I'd feel confident putting a 4090Ti or a 7900XTX paired with my 5800x, whereas I do think there'd be more of a bottleneck IPC wise with a Ryzen 3000 series.

5900x3D?  I doubt it.  I haven't heard any rumors of one, but I COULD very easily be wrong on that.  AMD is now on the Ryzen 7000 series, I don't see why they'd release new processors for last generation.  They might, but I just don't see why they would.

Edited November 16, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[neurotix]

Thanks for the advice guys. And yes, there have been rumors of a 5900x3D as well as 5950x3D, at least speculation on OCN.

 

Maybe I'll hold off on upgrading to save money given that I have a big backlog of PC games from 2010-2020 that all run great on the current setup. Also have backlogs of PS5, PS4 and Switch games to play. Had Xenoblade Chronicles 3 for Switch for like 3 mo. And haven't touched it yet because I know once I do, its all I will want to do and potentially for hundreds of hours.

 

I can only imagine the prices for RTX 5000 series when those come out and with inflation and everything, I may still try and get a 4090 given that it may end up being much cheaper than whatever is next. It was hard enough to convince my wife to spend $400 on a HD 7970, the prices for this hobby have gotten out of control.

Edited November 16, 2022 by neurotix

[Fluxmaven]

I was hoping for a 5900X3D but I don't see it happening. 

 

I went from a 3900X to a 5900x. I got both around their release times. So it's been a while now but I remember it being a noticeable uplift at the time. 

 

I was on lower resolution back then though. Now that I game at 4K it would be hard to tell.

[UltraMega]

Just some numbers: The 3900x is selling for ~$220 used. You could expect to make ~$180 after ebay fees/tax. The 5900x is selling for $310 used (before tax), so the upgrade would cost you about $140. 

 

The 1080Ti is selling for about $180 used on ebay, and a 3070 is going for about $350, which is by far the best "bang for your buck" you can get right now. 3080Ti is still going for just over $600 used. 

 

If I were you, I would sell my 1080Ti(s) and get a used 3070, or if you care more about 4K than ray tracing, you might lean towards an RX6800 or an RX6800XT since they have 16GBvram and won't be strapped for memory at 4K, though situationally the chances for that extra vram to really make a difference are very rare, but they are cheaper than a 3080Ti and have more vram. 

 

If you sold both your 1080Ti GPUs and bought a 3070, you would be just about breaking even and getting a huge performance boost in anything that doesn't scale incredibly well in SLI. If you upgraded your CPU, at 4K you would not notice at all. 

 

 

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Edited November 16, 2022 by UltraMega

[Sir Beregond]

Hard to say if they are going to do a 5900X3D. My gut says no, but you never know.

 

If you really have the upgrade itch, sure go for it. If gaming is your main concern, then ditch the extra cores and get a 5800X3D. If you need the cores, then sure, its a good price.

 

But really I agree with others. Depending on the rest of your system, resolution played at, etc, probably won't notice much of a difference.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

Alright guys, so I bit the bullet and ordered a R9 5900x from Amazon. Arriving today and then my wife and I will put it in. I just had a back surgery and am not supposed to lean forward at the waist, and obviously working on rigs I think most people lay them down on their back side on a table and bend over to work on the inside. Well, I'm really excited so idgaf and will be ignoring doctor's orders. Unfortunately, wife has great PC building skills and her own rig (In an anidees Crystal Cube case) but she can't mount waterblocks-yet. Also, my cooler's mounting system for AM4 sucks really bad and literally just has screws that go through and into the stock AMD backplate with no front side bracket or anything to help align it. There is no way to keep the AMD backplate in place besides holding it on the back manually while you mount the waterblock from the front and get the first 2 screws in diagonally.

 

Aside from that- I am very excited. I have essentially golden G.skill B-Die RAM. I have run it at 4266MHz out of ratio which is like 15 dividers higher than it's rated for. So I will be aiming for 2000MHz fclk and 4000MHz c17 memory. I'll be able to OC both the memory and the chip and bench it for HWBOT, so that should keep me busy next week.

 

And yes, you all are correct that in terms of gaming performance, at 3440x1440 and especially 4k I will probably see little to no gains except maybe for minimum framerate. But since I am sticking with this platform until Zen 5 releases (probably 2025), I wanted the best chip for it, and before all the retailers clear inventory and they get scalped on Ebay.

 

I am not interested in a 3070, if we can get our hands on one I will be getting an RTX 4090. Since it's literally twice as powerful as my 1080ti SLI and in a single card. We are going to wait until Nvidia and the card vendors fix this melting power connector issue, so probably early next year. I am looking at the MSI model, or possibly the Gigabyte model but I would appreciate suggestions and links to a good RTX 4090 considering EVGA no longer makes GPUs.

 

Thanks for all the input, though.

[Avacado]

54 minutes ago, neurotix said:

idgaf and will be ignoring doctor's orders.

[Fluxmaven]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

There is no way to keep the AMD backplate in place besides holding it on the back manually while you mount the waterblock from the front and get the first 2 screws in diagonally

 

You can temporarily tape it on with painters tape that way you don't have to give it a reach around while trying to line the screws up from the front 

[neurotix]

Yeah generally we hang it over the edge of a table, my wife gets on the floor and holds the backplate in place and helps me align the screws, and I mount the WB from the top. Thanks for the advice but we should have it covered.

 

And LOL at the Samuel Jackson gif haha.