Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[ENTERPRISE]

2 hours ago, The Pook said:

 

if you install Linux then the Linux users win

 

It might be marginally faster at finding errors on a bare metal install but I haven't tested. I just use WSL. You could do it in a VM or live USB instead if you want. 

 

There's no really much to setup for GSAT. Enable WSL, download Ubuntu in Windows Store, start it, install stressapptest (sudo apt-get install stressaptest) and then start it with the parameters you want (for 4 hours with 60GB total: stressapptest -s 14400 -M 60000 --pause_delay 99999999 -W --max_errors 0). Then just let it finish. 

 

you can increase the 60000 to all your RAM if you aren't using your machine while it tests but I leave a few GB free so I can at least ask @iamjanco for my 4090 while the test runs

 

Thanks bud. 

 

I got everything set up and installed, however when I run 

 

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stressapptest -s 14400 -M 60000 --pause_delay 99999999 -W --max_errors 0

 

I get the following error :

 

 

Any ideas ?

 

**EDIT** Seems that after some reading that GSAT tries to allocate memory that is not available and you have to use a lower figure. I just tried that and still getting the error. So I am going to create a live OS and re-set it up. 

[The Pook]

31 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Thanks bud. 

 

I got everything set up and installed, however when I run 

 

 

I get the following error :

 

 

Any ideas ?

 

**EDIT** Seems that after some reading that GSAT tries to allocate memory that is not available and you have to use a lower figure. I just tried that and still getting the error. So I am going to create a live OS and re-set it up. 

 

dunno really, never really ran into any issues but I've never tried >32000. maybe try fewer flags or maybe I goofed on the order? Order shouldn't matter though. 

 

can drop the max errors and pause delay one and they'll just be set to the defaults. try "stressapptest -s 14400 -M 60000 -W" or "stressapptest -W -s 14400 -M 60000"

 

you can drop the -W flag too but it'll make the test less intensive/effective. 

 

edit: order doesn't matter, works for me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

Maybe try another Ubuntu version? There's a few different Ubuntu versions on Windows Store and I'm using the first one. Neofetch says it's 22.04.3. It really shouldn't matter either though. 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by The Pook

[neurotix]

32 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Thanks bud. 

 

I got everything set up and installed, however when I run 

 

 

I get the following error :

 

 

Any ideas ?

 

**EDIT** Seems that after some reading that GSAT tries to allocate memory that is not available and you have to use a lower figure. I just tried that and still getting the error. So I am going to create a live OS and re-set it up. 

This is unfortunate. What distro are you going to be using for a live session? Mint is highly recommended. Also stick to Debian or Ubuntu based distros because other distros may not have stressapptest in their repositories. Also because yum sucks and I only know Debian or Ubuntu based distros, so I won't be able to help with Fedora, Gentoo, etc

[neurotix]

Also @ENTERPRISEwhen you tried running it in Windows did you run it from an admin PowerShell? Perhaps that is the problem. Also I would turn UAC off if it isn't already.

[ENTERPRISE]

9 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Also @ENTERPRISEwhen you tried running it in Windows did you run it from an admin PowerShell? Perhaps that is the problem. Also I would turn UAC off if it isn't already.

 

Good shouts, I will give that a go in the morning to see if that makes a difference. 

[neurotix]

26 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Good shouts, I will give that a go in the morning to see if that makes a difference. 

Since it was a memory allocation error, I have a strong feeling it's a permission to hardware problem.

 

If it still doesn't work, try the latest Mint Cinnamon and rufus like I linked.

[ENTERPRISE]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

Since it was a memory allocation error, I have a strong feeling it's a permission to hardware problem.

 

If it still doesn't work, try the latest Mint Cinnamon and rufus like I linked.

 

No luck on that front with admin or removing UAC, so bootable mint here I come! But bed time first

[J7SC_Orion]

3 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

No luck on that front with admin or removing UAC, so bootable mint here I come! But bed time first

 

I hope you folks don't develop RAM_eritis; I have seen that before, it is hideous   For example, if you dream that you have to pass 666,667 % of RAM stress test xyz, call 911...  

 

Below on the left is a quick test with @kaliz 's suggested timings for CL30 6400 (using the same 2x24GB new M-die kit as before). I didn't translate all the voltages and timings but it is serving as a good basis for comparison to my regular 8000 settings...an irregular, non-optimized 8100 is also there for fun. I even have quite accidentally seen an even DDR5 8200 in Win 11 Pro, but it didn't last very long. The CPUZ items at the lower right just show single-thread performance with CCD 1 (speed) and CCD 0 (VCache).

 

 

 

[ENTERPRISE]

13 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I hope you folks don't develop RAM_eritis; I have seen that before, it is hideous   For example, if you dream that you have to pass 666,667 % of RAM stress test xyz, call 911...  

 

Below on the left is a quick test with @kaliz 's suggested timings for CL30 6400 (using the same 2x24GB new M-die kit as before). I didn't translate all the voltages and timings but it is serving as a good basis for comparison to my regular 8000 settings...an irregular, non-optimized 8100 is also there for fun. I even have quite accidentally seen an even DDR5 8200 in Win 11 Pro, but it didn't last very long. The CPUZ items at the lower right just show single-thread performance with CCD 1 (speed) and CCD 0 (VCache).

 

 

 

 

Nice, thanks for the context! I think I am getting RAMitis at this rate lol. I am looking forward on setting on an OC and sticking with it. On that front I do have an update. So far I have the below stable (at least so far in the testing) 

 

 

I can start to reduce secondary timings more as I think I have hit the best I am going to get with the primary timings so far as 28-37-37-52 but does anyone have any particular suggestions on the rest of the timings ? I have some references to use, but happy to have suggestions.

 

Also managed to get GSAT setup on a Live instance of Linux Mint, thanks @neurotix

[neurotix]

1 hour ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Nice, thanks for the context! I think I am getting RAMitis at this rate lol. I am looking forward on setting on an OC and sticking with it. On that front I do have an update. So far I have the below stable (at least so far in the testing) 

 

 

I can start to reduce secondary timings more as I think I have hit the best I am going to get with the primary timings so far as 28-37-37-52 but does anyone have any particular suggestions on the rest of the timings ? I have some references to use, but happy to have suggestions.

 

Also managed to get GSAT setup on a Live instance of Linux Mint, thanks @neurotix

You can also make a bootable memtest86 drive and try that too though it takes a very long time to complete.

 

I would say if you can pass 3 hours of GSAT you are stable. Granted it doesn't reboot randomly in the middle of games. Also, nice CAS latency- has it helped your latency in AIDA64? I'd like to see your AIDA64 now, if you don't mind. Also be sure to leave the system running in Windows for like 15-20 minutes before you do it so it finishes all its background boot up tasks- you'll get a better score in AIDA this way.

Edited October 8, 2023 by neurotix

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Nice, thanks for the context! I think I am getting RAMitis at this rate lol. I am looking forward on setting on an OC and sticking with it. On that front I do have an update. So far I have the below stable (at least so far in the testing) 

 

 

I can start to reduce secondary timings more as I think I have hit the best I am going to get with the primary timings so far as 28-37-37-52 but does anyone have any particular suggestions on the rest of the timings ? I have some references to use, but happy to have suggestions.

 

Also managed to get GSAT setup on a Live instance of Linux Mint, thanks @neurotix

  

RAMitis for sure    ...nice timings, and for MEM VDD of 1.55 V, I think you mentioned the extra cooling you added for the RAM. For the secondary and tertiary timings, I would go with Buildzoid's Hynix-A-die YT above.  The 6400 I showed was using @kaliz 's timings to give you context. The 'new' M-die I run is very good for higher bandwidth (7600+, 1:2) but A-die is probably better for 1:1, given what I have read.

[neurotix]

So, now that we got Enterprise set up with GSAT, can I have my question I asked a while back answered?

 

I am still trying for 8000MHz RAM. I tried with 1.425v MEM_VDD and 1.35v MEM_VDDQ. I also used 1.1v VDDP and 1v VDDG (both CCD and IOD).

 

Unfortunately it failed memtestCL with a ton of errors within 15 mins.

 

I was using these timings:

 

 

Any suggestions on voltage, or can @kalizgo through please and mark higher timings to try in red next to the timing like you did for Enterprise?

 

Any suggestions or help will be rewarded with reps. Thanks in advance guys.

[elblat]

Try going to F13d. The older BIOSes had poor OC memory stability for me.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by elblat

[Hurricane28]

Hi guys, 

 

I'm new here but i was a member of OCN and i see lot of OCN people here, good to see! 

 

Anyway, I tinkered with my Ryzen 7700x and 6000 MHz cl30 RAM and got some nice improvements. 

 

After changing one setting i booted and did benchmark and everything helped a little as you can see. Amazing how sensitive these Ryzen 7k series is to memory. 

 

I do want to buy new RAM tho cos i have the non RGB and i do miss it tbh lol. 

 

I am looking towards 6400 MHz with AMD expo which is the highest expo available. What is your opinion on this matter? 

 

Thnx. 

 

 

[neurotix]

9 hours ago, richardmeppelin said:

Hi guys, 

 

I'm new here but i was a member of OCN and i see lot of OCN people here, good to see! 

 

Anyway, I tinkered with my Ryzen 7700x and 6000 MHz cl30 RAM and got some nice improvements. 

 

After changing one setting i booted and did benchmark and everything helped a little as you can see. Amazing how sensitive these Ryzen 7k series is to memory. 

 

I do want to buy new RAM tho cos i have the non RGB and i do miss it tbh lol. 

 

I am looking towards 6400 MHz with AMD expo which is the highest expo available. What is your opinion on this matter? 

 

Thnx. 

 

 

 

No one here uses AMD EXPO afaik. We all tweak our speed and timings manually.

 

Can you post a Thaiphoon Burner report? Do you know what dies you have? If it's Samsung B-Die I can give you a very good set of timings for 6000~6400MHz. Posting a screen of your ZenTimings would help too.

 

Other than that, the pics with 30-38-38-30 seem to be the best latency wise so I'd stick with those timings.

[Hurricane28]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

 

No one here uses AMD EXPO afaik. We all tweak our speed and timings manually.

 

Can you post a Thaiphoon Burner report? Do you know what dies you have? If it's Samsung B-Die I can give you a very good set of timings for 6000~6400MHz. Posting a screen of your ZenTimings would help too.

 

Other than that, the pics with 30-38-38-30 seem to be the best latency wise so I'd stick with those timings.

 

There is no B-die on DDR5 i believe. 

 

System was not stable at all tho. Was having some weird issues later so i am at stock again. 

 

ANything above stock will not work for me idk what te problem is with this ryzen stuff but they still not improve anything i seen. 

[The Pook]

35 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

There is no B-die on DDR5 i believe. 

 

there is. a lot of bare PCB Samsung kits a few Corsair DDR5-6000 CL36 kits have them. 

[neurotix]

My G.skill Flare X kit had B-Die. Before I upgraded to my current TridentZ5 with Hynix M-Die.

 

Seriously, read a guide on using Thaiphoon Burner to generate a html report and take a screen of it and post it here if you want us to be able to help more. ZenTimings would be nice too.

[Hurricane28]

13 minutes ago, neurotix said:

My G.skill Flare X kit had B-Die. Before I upgraded to my current TridentZ5 with Hynix M-Die.

 

Seriously, read a guide on using Thaiphoon Burner to generate a html report and take a screen of it and post it here if you want us to be able to help more. ZenTimings would be nice too.

 

Isn't that DDR4 Flarex? I had that ram too which was B-die and clocked very well! 

 

My current kit is M die so i need other RAM, this is not good at all. I know how to use Typhoon burner tho but its crap ram xD 

 

How can you tell before you buy if its M or A die? I mean, the timings are all the same with expo setting kits. 

[neurotix]

 

Flare X 5. It is DDR5 Samsung B-Die.

[Hurricane28]

4 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

Flare X 5. It is DDR5 Samsung B-Die.

 

That's a nice kit you have there man! I want G.Skill RGB kit which is A die. 

 

I am thinking on getting this one. It has the lowest timings i can find: 

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR | Azerty.nl

AZERTY.NL

 

[neurotix]

7 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

 

That's a nice kit you have there man! I want G.Skill RGB kit which is A die. 

 

I am thinking on getting this one. It has the lowest timings i can find: 

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR | Azerty.nl

AZERTY.NL

 

 

I'd highly suggest getting the new 2x24GB (48GB total, single rank) TridentZ5 7200mhz. It is Hynix M-Die. With the latest bios updates, you can take Ryzen memory to 7200MHz+, I run mine daily at 7600MHz but some here are able to do 8000MHz. I would suggest these (they are what I have) instead:

 

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We can provide you with screenshots of timings to set for these to get to 7600MHz+

Edited October 9, 2023 by neurotix

[Hurricane28]

3 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

I'd highly suggest getting the new 2x24GB (48GB total, single rank) TridentZ5 7200mhz. It is Hynix M-Die. With the latest bios updates, you can take Ryzen memory to 7200MHz+, I run mine daily at 7600MHz but some here are able to do 8000MHz. I would suggest these (they are what I have) instead:

 

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WWW.AMAZON.COM

We can provide you with screenshots of timings to set for these to get to 7600MHz+

 

Thank you. Is this much better than the expo i send you? 

 

I can also get this one: 

 

G.Skill 48 GB DDR5-6000 Kit werkgeheugen Zwart, F5-6000J4048F24GX2-TZ5NR, Trident Z5 NEO RGB, EXPO

WWW.ALTERNATE.NL

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De G.Skill F5-6000J4048F24GX2-TZ5NR is een kit van 2x 24 GB DDR5-6000 (PC5-48000) geheugenmodules uit de Trident Z5 NEO RGB serie. De 288-pins modu...

 

 

I heard that A die is better for overlocking no? 

[neurotix]

6 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

 

Thank you. Is this much better than the expo i send you? 

 

I can also get this one: 

 

G.Skill 48 GB DDR5-6000 Kit werkgeheugen Zwart, F5-6000J4048F24GX2-TZ5NR, Trident Z5 NEO RGB, EXPO

WWW.ALTERNATE.NL

---

De G.Skill F5-6000J4048F24GX2-TZ5NR is een kit van 2x 24 GB DDR5-6000 (PC5-48000) geheugenmodules uit de Trident Z5 NEO RGB serie. De 288-pins modu...

 

 

I heard that A die is better for overlocking no? 

 

The kit I linked is Intel XMP. It does not support EXPO. Nobody here uses EXPO, we all enter every single timing manually. All EXPO does afaik is set your primary timings and voltage. You need to actually go through and set every timing manually using a printoff of ZenTimings if you want the best performance.

 

As for whether A-Die or M-Die is better for overclocking, I am unsure and would have to bow to @J7SC_Orionand @kaliz on that question. Tbh I don't know which is better, but I do know that the kit you linked is 6000MHz whereas what I linked is 7200MHz.

 

Here is an example of my current memory timings in ZenTimings to give you an idea:

 

 

So someone here can give you a set of timings using that program that you'd print and go through and manually set all your primary, secondary and tertiary timings. If you get the kit I linked, you can try that one.

[Hurricane28]

3 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

The kit I linked is Intel XMP. It does not support EXPO. Nobody here uses EXPO, we all enter every single timing manually. All EXPO does afaik is set your primary timings and voltage. You need to actually go through and set every timing manually using a printoff of ZenTimings if you want the best performance.

 

As for whether A-Die or M-Die is better for overclocking, I am unsure and would have to bow to @J7SC_Orionand @kaliz on that question. Tbh I don't know which is better, but I do know that the kit you linked is 6000MHz whereas what I linked is 7200MHz.

 

Here is an example of my current memory timings in ZenTimings to give you an idea:

 

 

So someone here can give you a set of timings using that program that you'd print and go through and manually set all your primary, secondary and tertiary timings. If you get the kit I linked, you can try that one.

 

 

Ye i saw that indeed. 

 

I think expo is better for if there are any issues i can always revert back to expo settings that work but maybe that is the lazy/faulty way lol. 

I want stability for mostly gaming. 

 

I was tweaking on my previous system which was an AMD 5600x with FlareX 3200MHz RAM tweaked to 3600 MHz lol. 

So i am not an total noob but definetaly A LOT to learn about DDR5 xD. 

 

Thnx for the help, much obliged!