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Gotcha (both of you lol). I've only read the amd stages myself so wasn't sure.

2500k is 1155 socket. I'm on mobile so can't multi-task good enough to do tabs lol. Is the ddr3 category a different socket on Intel?

Doesn't matter if someone has better from my understanding of what avacado said. The more submissions we get as a team, stock, overclocked, slow or fast, the better. So do it up man! Good excuse to play with your 2500k again!

Count me in! I just bought an Athlon x2 7750BE Kuma and Radeon HD4450 last night just for this purpose! Here's what I have that I'll be running. I'll have to go through this stuff with you seasoned vets and make sure I'm not "cheating" on any of these runs too. I've bought what I'm going to buy, so if something I have doesn't line up, I might have to skip that round. AMD CPU competition: Stage 1: AMD Athlon x2 4200+ Toledo (if it works, sucks they say no Opterons) Stage 2: Athlon x2 7750BE Kuma Stage 3: Phenom II 1100T locked to 4 cores (I hope that's not cheating?) Stage 4: Ryzen 5800x AMD GPU competition: Stage 1: RX 580 8GB / FX 8350 Stage 2: ATI HD2900XT / FX 8350 Stage 3: HD4450 / FX 8350 Stage 4: ATI Radeon 8500SE / Athlon64 3200+ (will have to double check models on both) Stage 5: MSI AMD RX 6900XT / 5800x Again, assuming I read the requirements right on all of those. On some of the GPU benches, they don't specify what CPU so I'm assuming my FX will work (and be accepted). If not, I have other setups I can plop the GPU's into if its incompatible or not allowed per the rules.

It started in the 90's or so in June (about when I quit folding). We have 90*+ weather June through August typically. September it usually starts cooling back down into the 80's, and that's about when my AC can keep up with the heat from the rig again. It's just that one rig that gets the place so hot. I can have all my Ryzen rigs running (not folding or anything), and its fine. Fire up that FX rig though, let it idle, and the temperature in the house slowly creeps up. Let alone folding on it. I can concur, FX rigs definitely ARE space heaters.

Honestly, I'd try local listing them. Facebook marketplace, Craigslist, Offerup, things like that. For starters, you won't have to pay shipping (just make sure you meet somewhere safe). Secondly, you can generally ask a small premium locally. Those laptops "should" sell for like $200-250 locally I'd imagine, they're quite good laptops.

I'm only out because of summer heat right now. FX 8350 overclocked and a 290x kinda makes my bedroom toasty. And we've been having 100*+ weather. My AC couldn't keep up. I'll probably be resuming full time folding sometime next month once the weather cools.

I'm wondering here, did the pump have the PWM sense wire connected? I'm wondering if its not so much the resistance that its complaining about, but instead the fact that there's 0RPM being reported off the PWM wire? I think you might have been onto something putting a fan in its place. 0.1a at 12v, that would be right around a case fan type of a load.

This is a slightly outdated list but...... https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2122-who-actually-makes-liquid-coolers-oems Looks like Coolermaster might be an OEM for pumps all on their own, so testing the MasterLiquid AIO's might not end up providing any useful data. Looks like they also use Swiftec. Assuming the H100i Elite is like the others on the list, its likely a CoolIT pump, but Corsair does regular use Asetek pumps too. Whichever pump is in there, that list should help in determining what OTHER AIO's we can search for to rip apart, or search for data on to find the resistance of the appropriate pump. Hope that helped some. I know I had no idea Coolermaster made their own pumps. Would be nice if I could find a more modern and thorough list. EDIT: Yeah, its almost certainly a CoolIT pump in there seeing as Asetek sued Corsair and CoolIT in 2014. I doubt Corsair would go back to a company that sued them. From reading this article though, I'm wondering how similar the CoolIT pump really is to the Asetek units seeing as how they were sued for copyright infringement. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/38866/coolit-can-continue-making-custom-aio-cpu-liquid-coolers-for-corsair/index.html

Good chunk of copper like those slim Noctua coolers, or even a single 120mm AIO would probably be more than sufficient for cooling, at least to keep it at stock speeds. I doubt the board allows overclocking anyway. Probably don't even need a cooler THAT large really. That "big" Xeon, the W-11865MRE with 4.7GHz boost is only a 45w part. My small little aluminum wraith cooler does a fine job on 65w Ryzens. 45w TDP is getting into laptop cooling territory, my 2500u can draw twice that overclocked.

Interesting idea and project...... One thing you can try to do is pull the part number off the original pump. From what I can tell its probably a CoolIt pump perhaps? And maybe we can scrounge the internet up for some specifications on that particular pump. Surely somebody would've done a resistance check on it before. I can measure my Coolermaster 240mm unit, but its possible mine might be an Asetek. I'm not sure as I've never disassembled mine nor researched it. But what you'd want to do is find out what pump is in it for sure, and find the measurements in the datasheets online, or if not available, have somebody else measure (like you already asked).

Couple of updates: Kiddo's rig (the Ryzen 2600 build) is now working. I don't know HOW I managed to do it, but his CPU doesn't work still, the old 2600. His new 2600x does work fine though. Weirdly enough, his RAM doesn't work though. So there's another issue, now I'm short 2x8GB of DDR4. -_- It'll work out though, usually does. For now, I've got 8GB in his, and 8GB in the Ryzen 1400 rig. Still waiting on a Vega for his anyway, which is on order. I've submitted a return with newegg on the B450M Pro4 I just bought that's still BNIB, I installed the CPU once and it didn't work, so yeah, no need to keep that board around and I'm still within the return window. Once that gets returned, I'll buy him another kit of RAM. No big deal. Then his rig will be 100% complete. Other update: Got busy with some paint today. I'm still having GPU issues with these AGP cards. For some odd reason, they do not want to play DX titles on any of my AGP rigs, on any OS. They keep freezing. I'm thinking old thermal grease maybe? The caps look fine on them. If anybody feels comfortable enough to take apart old AGP GPU's (some may have severely stripped bolts), PM me. Otherwise, I might end up having to keep my eyes peeled for some Nvidia GPU's of the era maybe, I'm not sure. Not what I WANT to do, but if that's what it takes to play old games, then so be it. At least I'll have the Radeons for the collection anyway. It DOES play Quake just fine, and Quake 3 Arena (and Open Arena even online). So its not ALL bad. Looks wise, this rig's done. I do still have a little bit of tweaking here and there on it, but overall, this is the finalized product.

To be fair, the APU's from AMD are pretty freaking good. You're right, but the same could also be said about the RX 6400 and GTX 1050 (which is a MID tier card mind you....its just older). Yes, Intel needs better drivers seeing as they're brand new to the GPU scene now. Granted, they've been doing integrated graphics for years, so I guess they're just as guilty as the others about being lazy. AMD drivers have been pretty solid for years now, with only the occasional hiccup anymore. I've been rocking AMD cards since the 7970 and I've never had a driver issue up until their latest 22.7..1's, and I only tested that on my 6900XT. Nvidia on the other hand, has actually killed hardware with bad drivers (something AMD / ATI has never done). G92's and even as recently as the 980Ti's if I recall correctly. One has a more modern interface and interlaces quite well with games, and the other looks like it came straight off Windows 98. So really, which company really needs to fix their drivers more? Complaining about drivers is such a thing of the past anyway. If you have a driver that doesn't work right, rollback to a previous one. Same can be said for all 3 companies. The fact that we now have 3 competing companies for our GPU needs, in my opinion is a welcome change, being Intel or not. We keep forgetting, this A380 is a LOW END card too, as such it absolutely should perform at the low end especially at $120 USD release. Hey....it beats Intel integrated graphics doesn't it?

If these rumors are true, amd can keep the new cpu's. I'm not paying $700 just for a cpu. The $299 I spent on my 5800x was already a tough pill to swallow. $700 for a cpu, $1500+ (reportedly) for a new 4090, we're already over my entire current rig's cost with just 2 components!

I agree with you on Vista. I'm honestly torn on which was more visually appealing, 98 Plus! or Vista. Maybe XP Plus! but I haven't tried that one in years either. Visually appealing, probably Vista though with the aero and widgets. I've got all of my CD's archived on my NAS, so I don't need any images. I need blank CD's so I can boot them on this K7 rig. I'll buy some later on. I'm happy with it having 98 on there for now lol.

Quad socket....could you even imagine 384 cores / 768 thread count?

I guess I should've clarified, my first "Windows" PC lol. Still interested in this. The only reason I didn't go for a Threadripper on my server was PCIe lanes. Hopefully the newer ones can resolve that issue so I can have an upgrade when these hit second hand markets.

As I said, my Ryzen 3600 / B450 setup does the same EXACT thing under power surges / outages. I have no explanation for why. But I'll bet on it, your build will eventually come back to life after a while of being unhooked and unpowered, just as mine always does. It scared the poop out of me the first time (and the second and third times) it did it.

Reading everything you've tried so far...... Try unhooking power from the wall. Press and hold your power button for 30 seconds to completely drain the power from the mobo and PSU caps. Then pull out your CMOS battery. Let it sit for like 30 MINUTES, not seconds. Then, try to power it back up with the CMOS battery removed. If it works, pull power plug again, press and hold power again to drain caps, and put the battery back in, and try it again with the battery re-installed. Sometimes it takes more than 30 seconds to reset CMOS, as odd as that sounds. My own B450 / Ryzen 3600 rig does the same thing from time to time. I don't have an explanation. But there's a good chance if you let it just sit for a while without ANY power in it at all, it might pop back to life like mine always does.

So, I've been using that T-Bird build the last 2 days backing up my CD wallet collection. It's been working absolutely fantastically.....BETTER than I had anticipated. I have Windows 98SE Plus! installed on it, and I can't even begin to describe how happy it makes me seeing 98 again. I can even use my NAS on it through Firefox or IE6 (Firefox works better), so that means I can even upload my CD images to my NAS when completed. Today, I'm installing games to it to play around with. I found out too, ONLINE games actually still work on Windows 98! I played a round of "Open Arena" (Quake 3) online yesterday on it with other players!!!!! I know I wanted 2000 on this build, but until I get the K6 running (which ALL of the drives are no good in that for sure now), I'm more than happy with 98 on this one. The original ebay seller I was talking to with the Fury and Vega never responded back to me as I had found a Vega for a much more reasonable price and I let him know. I told him I still wanted his Fury, but yeah, no response for a week now. Whatever. Vega64 hopefully will be incoming soon as well from a forum member here. Idk if I'm supposed to name names yet for him or not, but yeah, he gave me a deal I just couldn't pass up with today's modern GPU markets and my income levels. I forget if I mentioned previously too, but a Ryzen 2600x should be here Monday to fix kiddo's rig (where the Vega will be going for its permanent home). I'm hoping this means I can send the BNIB B450m back to newegg. This also means that my "backup GPU" will actually be something usable, that GTX 970 that kiddo's been using. /update /rant or whatever this is. Back to playing around on Windows 98!

Now this is a proper comparison and review! I still say, its looking promising. EDIT: I do have to say, after getting myself a freesync monitor, the 1% lows are actually more important to me than averages are anymore these days. They say the A380 is 7% slower overall than the RX6400 is at 1080p, but that's based off averages. If you look at the 1% lows, it looks like it might be telling a different story. Interesting to note too how BADLY the A380 actually performs on DX9 titles (CS:GO). Intel does state the GPU is tuned more for modern API's though, and it was more than playable still. Just interesting there.

Its so ridiculous! I want one. -_- This thing has more cache memory onboard than my first computer had RAM. I'm actually USING a computer right now for ripping my old CD wallet collection, and it also has less RAM than this thing has cache. 192 threads on it......just, wow. Could run ALL the VM's.

Try a different cable. I was having some maddening issues with my 6900XT with a huge and thick monoprice DP cable. I thought bigger gauge, the better, as is usually the case with cables. Never had a problem with the monoprice cables on my 5700XT, at least that I knew of anyway. Swapped it out for the included DP cable that came with my monitor, and the problem has been resolved.

That's good. Kind of rare on ebay I've noticed lol. Bummer about the missing touch on the one, but really its not THAT big a deal. Sell that one a tad bit cheaper than the touch capable ones.

Don't tempt me. The thought of creating my own dial up ISP had already occurred to me once before. I don't have a landline though. I might one day, not even joking. I do want to play around eventually with dial up LAN gaming as some of the older games I want to play support that. Not today though, today I'm just happy its alive, and 100% functional. I didn't even really WANT 98 on here, it was supposed to have 2000. Lack of blank CD's, and it wouldn't boot an older than Vista OS off a flash drive, meant I had to use my old collection of CD's that are falling apart. My 98SE disc was fine, so used that.