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Still waiting for the motherboards and DDR5 pricing to come down as well.

You clearly didn't watch @Bastiaan_NL on stream very often.........

Also, when doing TIM, and I could be wrong, I'm no expert by any means. But I've found on all my Ryzen chips the X method using thin lines seems to be the best. Every CPU in the past I'd use the whole "small grain of rice" method, but due to hot spots as you mentioned, Ryzens seem to work better with a little more. And the X method seems to spread the grease out very nicely and fill in any irregularities in the IHS nicely. I tried editing this into last post, but forum wouldn't allow it. *shrugs

There's 2 PBO menus in your BIOS. Put those same exact settings in ALSO under "AMD Overclocking" under the "Advanced" tab.

Personally, for my 5800x, I used the following for PBO: +200MHz Enabled PBO (not auto) (I think I had two settings "enabled" but Asus board) I left the scaler options auto -0.05v offset vcore 1.125v SoC with IF "Overclocking" enabled +130% power limits Assuming you're stable at a very slight undervolt, the undervolt will keep it boosting higher. It'll boost as high as the cooling allows honestly. If you're getting too hot, it might not boost over 4.9. With my 240mm cooler I'd boost to about 5050MHz. With my 360mm cooler now I've seen 5150 for example (and 4.60GHz all core at best up to 4.75GHz all core NON PBO overclocks).

Now THIS suggestion I think should be more priority over new tables IMHO. You're right, a thread SHOULD be created that people can have conversations about the reviews. As is right now, the comments section is broken kinda (as mentioned above), and allowing "guests" to comment (even in a thread) would certainly help drive up more conversation outside of the community. I definitely support this idea. ---------------------------------- As far as the tables go, I'm not HTML person, and I absolutely suck in Wordpress, not going to lie about that. I accidentally published my thread trying to hit the preview button once by accident. -_- (Sorry E ). If we're going to be implementing new table options, could it possibly be implemented in such a way that its an easy copy / paste kinda thing like the existing table is that we use for pros / cons? Obviously not just one table, but yeah.....give us some options on tables we can copy / paste, and be able to experiment in our own reviews. It'd allow a LITTLE bit more artistic freedom. By all means, don't fix what's not broken....but adding NEW options for tables that we can implement for other purposes would absolutely be fantastic.

Okay so tested the Opteron 175's in my A8N32-SLI Deluxe. The better of the two will do 2.90GHz stable in THAT board. In the board I put it into to stay though, I could only get it up to 2.87GHz, but it has 8GB RAM. It replaced a 2.70GHz Opteron 165, so I guess its an upgrade? Was REALLY hoping for 3GHz+. Oh well...... I got to thinking, I can use the other 175 in the A8R32-MVP Deluxe once I get it fixed. The second chip won't do 2.90 stable in my "bench" board, but it definitely should do 2.8-2.9 somewhere in that range. So they should clock pretty darn closely. And that setup with crossfire can go in my Lian Li PC-60 I'm refurbishing. Then I can put SLI in the Chieftec Dragon with the other 175. It works! I absolutely NEVER meant to fully build up 3x Socket 939 rigs (and have a 4th for benching). But whatever, it was my favorite socket. So I'll end up with an "ultimate" single GPU Socket 939 setup, an "ultimate" SLI setup, and an "ultimate" crossfire setup. Sigh. Ebay is going to love me after the holidays........ Either way, progress is being made. Can't share pictures due to attachment limit on site. -_- Still have to figure that out still.

Honestly those benchmarks sound pretty promising considering their early early drivers so far on them. I was saying the same thing about the lower end ARC GPU, forget the model number. But its a solid comparison to the RX 6400. These midrange cards are just as neat of a value (considering). Glad you've got yours out and playing with it Flux!

As others already mentioned, try BCLK or SoC up some. I personally won't pass about 1.20v SoC, and on my particular 5800x, it doesn't seem to matter. I can run 1900 at 1.125v SoC, but 1933 is unstable no matter how much voltage I give it. I thought the same, 5800x should surely do 2000 IF Clock, so I bought DDR4-4000 to go with it. Yeah nope. And I came from a 1866 IF clocking Ryzen 3600. No point in returning it, you have to have a golden sample it seems to do 2000.

Price???? o.0 EDIT: Ooooof, still stupid expensive. It's just a dang electric motor with a USB plug and some plastic. -_- Sigh. Hoping one day for a sub $500 decent wheel / pedals / shifter set again like the G27 / G29's were. Yeah, they weren't DD, but they were solid budget wheels.

Yeah we've still gotta figure out which 2 maps for the Canadia servers too. I'm pretty happy with my tarmac and offroad choices of Motorsports + West Coast Snow..........well kind of LOL. I'd rather have an actual crawler map instead of a snow map, but snow is fun too. But alas, you can have a crawler map, you said on discord you wanted an offroad map. I still say OGC map for one of yours, that way we've got West Coast, Derby, and Grid map all in one. And one of the many offroader maps as the second one. But that's my opinion.

UPDATE: Found some new vehicles and maps and figured we should put those into the server too. Our WA State servers 1 and 2 are both online. The Canadian servers (3 and 4) are currently offline and being updated with the latest pack, and being map swapped. Due to wanting these additional mods in place, we didn't get them fully back online last time. Promise, done doing updates (unless the game does or mods break) for a little while now. Will give another update once those 2 are back online as well. Added: Automation version of my WIP Lego Car mod (by Agent Y) 2022 Procyon Centauri 1.0.2 New Maps Added: West Coast USA (Winter Edition) 3.1 OGC Map - Ultimate Beam.NG Map | 0.26 Compatible 0.60 Mod Pack Download Links (updated in OP): Full BeamMP Mod Pack v0.07 BeamMP Mod Pack Update v0.07 (from v0.06)

I would second @Bastiaan_NL to take lead. I would also like to make a suggestion, since @N2 Gaming brought it up. Slowest and fastest both, that sounds interesting. How about an option similar to the "cheap chips" comp on hwbot. Something that we could enter into for say under $50 in used hardware, or junk laying around most of us already have or something? Doesn't matter if its GPU or CPU, whatever, I'm down for it. But running "slow" gear always intrigues me. For example, say I dunno, a "dual core" competition, whoever can get the "lowest" score wins, but maybe specify desktops only or something? Maybe the "highest performing" dual core too? And then something too with modern stuff. My 5800x / 6900XT is also down for at least attempting to compete on the higher end too.

This. Unless you're REALLY paying attention to your minimum framerates, you'll notice zero difference in gaming. With 1080Ti's, you won't notice a single bit of difference at all anyway, the minimum FPS differences would come with a faster GPU. At 3440x1440, you desperately need a GPU upgrade (for gaming). The 1080's are still decent cards, but at 1080p today, regular 1080p. I'm at 5120x1440, and my 6900XT (which is between a 3080Ti / 3090Ti ish?), is not QUITE enough to literally max everything either. Granted, if I were at 3440x1440, I'd probably be much happier with my framerates than I am now. Forza games run beautifully though. So you might consider a 3090 or 3090Ti perhaps? Now, if its for hwbot or just because, by all means the 5000 series are great CPU's and I have no complaints about my own upgrade. I'd feel confident putting a 4090Ti or a 7900XTX paired with my 5800x, whereas I do think there'd be more of a bottleneck IPC wise with a Ryzen 3000 series. 5900x3D? I doubt it. I haven't heard any rumors of one, but I COULD very easily be wrong on that. AMD is now on the Ryzen 7000 series, I don't see why they'd release new processors for last generation. They might, but I just don't see why they would.

I'm not one to tell you DON'T upgrade, but honestly the biggest difference I saw going from a Ryzen 3600 to a 5800x was the increase in thread count. The IPC increase is there, sure, but it really didn't matter that terribly much, at least not in my uses. If you can make the upgrade cheap, go for it. It's not the worst upgrade you could do. If your sig rig is up to date though, I'd say GPU upgrade would be more beneficial honestly. 4.65GHz / 1900 FCLK 1:1 with your RAM is absolutely more than sufficient with a 3900x. The biggest reason I upgraded was because I bought a 6900XT. And yes, with a higher end GPU setup, I saw gains in my MINIMUM framerates going from a 3600 to a 5800x. Not enough to be worth the upgrade (in my opinion), but hey, why not?

Windows 95 Box (not complete): AMD K6-2 500 (underclocked), EPox Socket 7 board, 64MB PC-100, ATI Rage 128 (missing), CF card for OS, 80GB IDE HDD storage, ZIP250 Windows 98SE Box (not complete): AMD K6-2 450 @ 600Mhz, Gigabyte GA5AX, 256MB PC-133, ATI Radeon 7500 or 9000 (have both), CF card for OS, 160GB IDE HDD storage, ZIP250 Windows 2000 Pro Box (done and working / has 98 on it): AMD T-Bird 1.1GHz, ECS Socket A Via chipset board, 2x256MB Corsair XMS DDR400, ATI Radeon 9800XT, CF card for OS, 160GB IDE HDD storage Windows XP early (not complete): AMD Athlon XP 2500+, Asus A7N8X, 2x1GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum, ATI Radeon X850PRO, CF card for OS, 500GB IDE HDD storage, ZIP250 Windows XP late (not complete): AMD Athlon64 3200+, unknown Socket 754 board (nothing good, I forgot model), 3x1GB generic DDR400, ATI Radeon X1950PRO, 64GB HP SSD, 500GB IDE HDD storage, ZIP250 Windows XP x64 (done and working): AMD Opteron 180 @ 3GHz, Asus A8N SLI, 4x1GB Corsair XMS DDR400, Sapphire HD5870, 64GB HP SSD, 2TB WD Blue, ZIP250 Everything newer than the last listed build, I have one of every generation, done and functional. Might be missing a HDD or something here and there, but I'm about 99% done with most of them. The rigs that are listed "not complete", literally just missing drives, maybe a PSU, the CF cards themselves (only had one so far), sound cards, LAN cards, and I need to have the AGP GPU's all re-greased and re-padded because they're got 20 year old dried up TIM on them. Also, the 95 box, I have to wait for spring, the case needs painted.

Paypal credit. -_- I can't pay shipping with paypal credit line. But I can sadly spend myself into oblivion with it.

Update without pictures: I have some good news on the way. So I already had 2x1GB of OCZ Platinum DDR400, 2-3-2-5 sticks on hand. My particular sample is capable of DDR-540 speeds. Scored another set of the same stuff for a matching 4x1GB. Didn't "need", but hey, you never know when you need a 4GB kit of DDR when doing what I'm doing. I also absolutely SCORED on ebay just now. Two Opteron 175's are on their way for torturing and testing with LCB9E stepping, and very VERY late date codes on them. Fingers crossed for another 3.1GHz+ overclocker!

I'll go ahead and list what I HAD back then too (I'd love to have again one day). NES - Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario Bros + Duck Hunt SNES - Super Mario All Stars (replaced NES copies), Super Mario World, Top Gear?, Donkey Kong Country N64 - Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Rush, Banjo Kazooie Obviously, old Mario games were my jam. After the N64 I kind of gave up on Mario titles, they lost their flavor after the 64 release to me. I think its because my family always sat down with the NES console when I was really little to play original Super Mario Bros + Duck Hunt, so I think it was more of a familial tie to the games than anything. I too, was always on PC for gaming even back in the 90's, but it definitely was fun to sit down at the TV and play with friends and family though. I know I had other games, IIRC I had like 8 games for the NES and like 16 for the super. The N64, the 4 listed is all I had, again was too busy with PC gaming.

I should've clarified I suppose. You're right, the RULES are that its a team competition between countries, yes. The VIBE I get off it though is that everybody is your rival regardless.

Well, from what I've gathered about the Country Cup, and I could be wrong, its more or less just a free for all. You bench what you bench. Everybody is your rival kinda thing. It's about being the best IN your country (and of course bringing your own country points). So yeah, there's not nearly the teamwork like we saw with the Team Cup. If they wanted to actually win, they'd be more inclusive with newcomers because points are points. Either way, yeah its more about the extreme overclocking, not so much about "running what you've got on hand" like Cheap Chips or the Team Cup.

One day I will have.......... So far, I've just got a Windows 98SE box (that's SUPPOSED to be a Win 2k box), and working on my XP, my proper 98SE, and Win95 boxes. I do like emulating the older titles, since I HAD a regular NES, SNES, and N64 back in the day (bought ea when new). I can honestly live without your "living room" setup. Gimme that old CRT TV and those older consoles though, and I'd be having one heck of a time!

The mod pack is essential. @bonami2and I have found some pretty awesome mods. The automatic download option is really really slow because I only have 10Mbps upload.

Glad you're home now bro! Hope you're feeling a little better now.

UPDATE: Found some new vehicles and figured we should put those into the server too. Our WA State servers 1 and 2 are both online. The Canadian servers (3 and 4) are currently offline and being updated with the latest pack. Will give another update once those 2 are back online as well. Added: Hirochi Prasu (CRGZ Revamp) 2.0 Building brick car pack 1.0 Mod Pack Download Links (updated in OP): Full BeamMP Mod Pack v0.06 BeamMP Mod Pack Update v0.06 (from v0.05)