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Sigh. Idk if everybody remembers, but Pepperidge Farms remembers when we complained about Actiblizzard when it was first announced they were merging. Then they get another company under them, making them ABK. Now the big wigs are drunk with power and taking it over from the inside out. Who saw that coming? I think Pepperidge Farms saw it coming. It's true what they say. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Maybe, we can hope, EA might take a look at ABK and learn a thing or two before its too late for them. They've been on a downwards spiral in their actions against gamers for a long time as well. Won't go into details or gripes since EA's not what this thread's about lol.

They've been around just as long as Intel has been. I'm not going to sugar coat it, if there's a problem with these cards then they should just come forward and be truthful about it. I've defended the "hurr durr AMD driver problems durrrrr" threads in the past, but OBVIOUSLY there's problems in their driver department for sure as of lately. And you're right, the PR hits they're taking as of lately definitely aren't helping things any at all. They've killed performance purposely on old cards and completely dumped support for cards they really shouldn't have (Nvidia's done similar mind you). These black screen / freezing problems prevalent on 3 generations (at least) of cards due to their drivers, that's another problem. And then the rumors of dies cracking at random, POTENTIALLY due to drivers (but maybe not really?). I wanted a 7900XTX, but I'm glad I waited now. Kind of wanting to grab a 6950XT though in case my 6900 decides to join the others. -_-

As I mentioned too in my comment, I had those same EXACT problems of blackscreens and random freezing on older drivers. It was especially prevalent when watching youtube videos, just on desktop use. For me, PERSONALLY, I did not have those same issues on 22.11.2's, but I went back to 22.11.1's as a precaution.

RIP. It's kind of funny to me (not in a haha kind of way though). I recognized their voices immediately but had no clue why in the first few songs there. Turn Turn Turn, and Stop Children I both know very well though. But yet I had no idea who it was, I just remembered hearing them on the radio or in movies a lot. Nice to actually hear those songs again, and know who made them.

This WAS covered elsewhere on the site, but I'm pretty sure it was a regular thread and not a news thread. @bonami2 I think it was your thread? Either way, I don't mind its posted twice, but you had kinda asked...... Anyway, I too WAS running the 22.11.2's I think they were, the "cursed" drivers mentioned in the videos. I had absolutely ZERO problems on them myself with a bone stock 6900XT. With that said, I only was on them for a few days and hadn't even really fired up a game as I had just formatted and re-installed. I read about the problems in bonami's thread, and well....I'm now back on 22.11.1's. I believe J7SC said it earlier, but better safe than sorry. For some odd reason, I actually WAS experiencing driver related problems on the older 22.5.6's I think they were? The last WHQL's before these last 2 sets. The problems I was having, also happen to be noted fixes in the newer 22.11.1's I'm running now. Black screen problems, freezing, and those are notably "fixed" now. I also DID in fact eventually start noticing those same issues on my 5700XT and my Vega64 systems on occasion (but not 110% sure it was drivers on that, so whatever). I was NOT having those problems earlier this year though in like January - April ish drivers. So, its kind of interesting that AMD broke the drivers sometime earlier this year, and it took them 6 months to issue a fix. At least, for my particular bugs I was legitimately experiencing. I think I had the black screen bug once when I was streaming "Lawn Mowing Simulator" in the site discord channel lol.

I thought it was just me......

I was actually just sitting here pondering that very same scenario......

Speaking of merch..........Avacado should definitely get this made up and wear it on his little outing. Me flexing my mad photoshop skills.....

I absolutely love both of your ideas there TBH. I'd love to see some EHW AIO's, keyboards, mice maybe......we could do all of that pretty easily I'd imagine. The question is, would it sell / make money, be worth the investment for E? Depending on mounting capabilities of the AIO, and keyboard and mouse options (if that was ever brought to), I'd possibly want all 3 at least one of each. I do have a question though, not at you directly, but about that process in general with the merch. Would going through a merch handler like that, for our small of a community be a little bit, I dunno too much? For streamlining a full time merch gig, I could totally understand something like that. But for the 5 or 6 people here that'd want some neat EHW stuff? Let's just be safe and bump that up to idk, an order of 50 (of whatever). That even seems overkill. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to have the merch made as a one time run? You'd have a wider variety of manufacturers to choose from and could order the exact number that is needed, no more. Or maybe a few extra to give away as freebies in competitions or something, but still. If the site ever got anywhere near even old OCN member levels, I could totally see a merch handler business like that being a useful tool to keep in mind for future merch runs though.

Granted, you now have the super power of being too slow for everything. I wish I had water cooling equipment.

Okay, I think I see a potential plus with that setup. The mics could plug directly into the wireless DAC (which then goes to speakers) and bypass the tablet entirely for mics. THAT wouldn't be too bad of an idea actually. Then tablet can just send audio over BT (for videos), and video content over wifi to a Chromecast, Firestick or Roku, into the splitter, out to the 4 TV's. Yay! That'll work!

We're basically trying to use his Samsung View tablet to be a mixer, speaker output, microphone input, AND display videos on 4 TV's (which we already have a splitter for HDMI). But.....all wirelessly so the tablet can be carried around.

Man I miss mine, broke the USB plug on the keyboard itself and at the time had no clue how to repair it. -_-

I mean my "hotspot" has always hit 110*C on this card since I got it. RMA'd it once and that didn't change a single thing.

BRB, swapping drivers.

Close, except we already have 4x HDMI cables coming down the wall already, and an existing HDMI splitter he's been using already. Forgot to mention that part I guess. I was thinking: This + some shielded RCA's to the speakers (use bluetooth from the tablet): https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Amplifier-Wireless-Receiver-Digital/dp/B087JJ24SG/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3EMNW5CUXMH72&keywords=bluetooth+dac&qid=1673499554&sprefix=bluetooth+da%2Caps%2C307&sr=8-11 Then use microphones similar to these (idk if they make with receiver USB Micro-B instead of C though): https://www.amazon.com/Aisizon-Microphones-Microphone-A2d-Recording/dp/B0B4KLW9B2/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=XFYG4BTVAQ35&keywords=wireless%2Bmicrophone%2B3%2Bpack&qid=1673500243&sprefix=wireless%2Bmicrophone%2B3%2Bpac%2Caps%2C270&sr=8-2-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUThaN05STzA2OTlaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzYzMjg2M1IzM1dHQ0JSUEJSUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDI5NTcyM1QyOFA0TVgxTlFNQSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1 And then I guess plug a Roku or Firestick into the 4x HDMI cables going to the TV's and use wireless display to get the screen out? (Already have an HDMI splitter) Not entirely sure if that'd work 100% though, seriously it'd be so much easier on a PC lol. I'm not 100% sure microphones will keep working on an android if you don't have an app open to use them. So say they start a video, but then they want to use the microphone during the video, that probably won't work on an Android without switching the apps back over is what I'm thinking. Or to be honest, if my idea above would even work at all.

Put here because not entirely sure what section this really belongs in........ So, I'm trying to help a local church out with their technology needs, and they've got an interesting idea but I've never done it before. Is there a way to connect speakers wirelessly, screens wirelessly (4, all displaying the same thing is fine), AND microphones (to go through the speakers) wirelessly to a Samsung Galaxy View SM-T670? I was thinking maybe get one of those wireless bluetooth to RCA adapters Parts Express sells and use bluetooth for the audio. They sell those usually for wireless surround DIY options, is basically what I was thinking. Not sure 110% if there's a bluetooth option, but I'm sure there's something out there that's a bluetooth DAC basically. I know Amazon sells some decent 3 packs of wireless microphones that come with a USB receiver that they talk to (I'd need to either find a Micro-B receiver / mic pair or convert). Although I am curious what your guys' thoughts are on what the appropriate type of mic would be suitable for the situation. So that handles KINDA audio, at least in theory? But how can I get the 4 HDMI cables we have coming down the wall, and get those wirelessly into the tablet and duplicate the display on 4 monitors too? Would I use like a Roku type device, or maybe a PC with appropriate Windows 10 capabilities of using wireless display tech or something? Would that even work? A $30 Roku sitting perhaps even up in the ceiling connected to the 4 TV's would probably be a lot easier to wireless Picture very much related, its the back of his speakers (he has 2 just like this). TLDR: We're trying to get these + mics + 4x HDMI outs, wirelessly, from a Galaxy View with USB Micro-B, Bluetooth / Wifi.

Isn't the 3090 faster than the 4070Ti? I'd almost rather grab a used 3090 personally for that kinda scratch. More VRAM available to it too, for the higher resolutions.

Like I said earlier, it ALL depends on games you play and the goals you have for that rig. If you're happy with the 2080Ti's performance, or maybe if you want just a LITTLE BIT more performance out of it (like 1-3%), then water cool it. If you want it to be a neater looking rig, water cool it. You want silence? Water cool. If you're after a bigger jump in performance, new GPU / CPU depending (in this case GPU). Basically, what I'm getting at here is that water cooling isn't going to net you any increase in performance. At least nothing tangible. Yes, you'll be able to overclock a little bit more. But is that overclock going to be worth the money invested to get it for such a small percentage increase? No. People that water cool proper, do it for other reasons. Keeping the same loop for years (as mentioned by Avacado earlier). Silence. Higher performance across multiple builds by just changing the blocks out. The looks of water cooling. DIY'ing and building something custom 100% yourself. There's many reasons why people water cool. But to make a big leap in performance, that's not one of them.

Right, that was exactly my point even if I made it horribly. If the CPU is going to bottleneck, its going to bottleneck regardless of resolution. The PCIe version makes much less of a difference in terms of bottlenecking than the CPU will. Actually, if anything PCIe 3.0 would be about his ONLY bottleneck on that 9900k system. If I found an upgrade with my 6900XT with a Ryzen 3600 with PCIe 3.0, he'll surely see it as an even bigger upgrade with a 9900k with PCIe 3.0. As such, yeah I wouldn't even worry about it because the performance jump from having a better GPU would negate any "bottleneck" from the PCIe bus.

Well, I'll just put it this way. My 6900XT is a PCIe 4.0 card. My Ryzen 3600 / B450 build only allows PCIe 3.0. Card worked fine, and I saw a massive improvement over my 5700XT that was in the build previously. HOWEVER, minimum framerates hadn't changed at all, and that was the biggest reason for my own personal upgrade. So yeah, I was CPU limited, in the sense that my minimum framerates (the stutter) hadn't changed. Yes, PCIe 4.0 matters on PCIe 4.0 cards, of course it does. That doesn't mean that you won't see an improvement on a PCIe 3.0 system as well though. This has been argued about since PCIe 2.0 came out to be honest. It really all depends on your needs and wants out of the system. If you're happy with your current 2080Ti with + 1-2% more, then yeah watercooling that sounds like the right choice. If you're happy with it, and just want it to be cooler running, more silent, or perhaps just to do something different, yeah watercooling it sounds right. If you're after a higher percentage difference than overclocking can give you, get a better GPU for it.

Not trying to convince you one way or the other, but those bottleneck calculators are usually so off its hilarious. Your 9900k easily, EASILY beats my Ryzen 3600. But yet I've ran my 6900XT on my Ryzen 3600 and it worked fine. Yes, I saw a minimum framerate increase when jumping to my 5800x. Averages were about the same. I'm confident you'd see a significant increase going to a 3080 / 3080Ti over your current 2080Ti in the system, enough to the point it'd be worth the "upgrade". HOWEVER, given this isn't your only system, that upgrade path is up to you. Nothing wrong with the pairing you already have either. ------------- About water cooling...... Have you thought about ditching the AIO and doing a full CPU / GPU loop on that build? It'd save a little room in the case, and might make it easier to control where the heat is coming from in that case since Avacado pointed out the case can be a hot box. Besides, most of the time when somebody builds a loop for their GPU, they USUALLY toss the CPU in the loop too eventually, whether it was in their original plans or not.

Would you mind expanding on that last point a little? That's a first I'm hearing about that one, and I have a lot of AMD GPU's I don't want ded. Unless you're just meaning the drivers that absolutely nuke performance to the point last gen GPU's are about worthless, then yeah that's a thing too.

Welcome! I've only ever personally gone properly wet a couple of times, but there's plenty of guys here who do it on every build. You're definitely in the right place.

Not sure if I should consider that rude, or a gift. Wish granted, but choose wisely. You're only allowed to control time in one direction (your choice). Never to return to present time ever again, leaving your entire life behind. I wish for EHW's HEALTHY growth in 2023. More reviews, and more (healthy) site members.