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I already have a B450 motherboard that I bought with the intentions of running a 1200, 2200g, or 3200g in it, stupidly thinking I'd be able to find an AM4 CPU in 2021. I'd have to buy a new mobo and CPU instead of just buying a cheap AM4 CPU. Nahh, I'll wait for the right deal or a trusted second hand seller. I can wait. Build in question is for my kid, but its the same board as my sig rig.

Figured I'd update, thanks again E and the sponsors! The EKWB 240 AIO arrived safe and sound today. Debating on putting it on my 3600 or saving it for my future x570 build. It's too pretty to cut up so I won't do that to it yet. It's still in the box, so sorry, no pictures yet. Don't want to mess up the wrapping till its time. Rest assured, it'll be seeing a good thermal load here soon enough. ?

Really? The only way I can get this thing to run WITHOUT hitting 85*C+ temps using SmallFFT's Prime95, is by using PBO. -_- I can't even run it at 1.25v set in BIOS without it overheating in my opinion (hits like 87*C or so). The only way it'd be possible for me to even get 4.1GHz manual would be under 1.20v. There's absolutely no way I can even get 4.2 to run stable unless I'm doing something wrong. PBO....its fine though. Basically, mine will NOT overclock at all. Since PBO is basically stock anyway. Kind of disappointing really lol. TIM application appears to be squishing out appropriately. It does in fact look like there's not enough pressure, but there's no other way for me to mount the cooler. I followed the directions on the Dark Rock Pro4, and its not like there's room for error in it lol. Well.....it is me afterall, I'm sure I can find a way to catch it on fire. So yeah, 1.25v ish and less, its fine manual. 1.25 itself is pushing it. More than that, I hit over 90*C immediately. Seems to almost act as if I'm hitting a voltage wall or something, like the CPU just can't dissipate the heat fast enough into the cooler.

Hey guys, So I'm not a complete noob, but with Ryzen 3000 I might as well be. Any guides or tips? I seem to be hitting a thermal wall and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Using PBO and -100mV I can get 4.275GHz boost clocks, pretty consistantly. Using manual vcore and multis I can push 4.3GHz, 1.27v but I hit 95*C near immediately on SmallFFT's on P95. I'm sure this chip could do 4.3+ if I can figure out why its overheating so drastically. I see people all the time on other forums saying 1.30v+ is safe. PBO seems to be "safe" where its at since it throttles down to like 4.15GHz under smallfft's. Any ideas? Cooler is a Dark Rock Pro4, and the TIM application should be near perfect I've reseated like 20 times....pretty sure I'm a pro at that now. EDIT: I do now have a EKWB 240mm AIO I could replace the Dark Rock with. However I don't think my cooler is currently saturated with a 65w TDP chip running at PBO. It says 250w TDP right on the box.

Parts are starting to slowly arrive for the Phenomenon build. Wifi cards arrived today. Still waiting on CPU, more RAM, and the SSD for it. My EKWB 240mm AIO arrived today too, dunno what I'm gonna put that in yet but that was a neat surprise. Anybody got some benchmark goals I can shoot for? I intended on running AIDA64 memory bench, Cinebench, and Crysis of course, but dunno what else I could still try to run. Hoping to see how "modern" I can make old rigs but of course instruction sets and DX versions might be a problem on some newer titles. This is just the first of many I plan to throw together (obviously).

I'd grab that 5600x for myself and use my 3600 in my kiddo's rig....but man, I didn't want to do that. He doesn't need a 3600 (its overkill for me even right now). And my board is a REALLY bad board for a 5000 series (ASRock B450M Pro4). I was intending on going full x570 / Ryzen 5000 series / RTX 3000 or RX6000 series GPU once prices get closer to reality, and put my 3600 on the TV. But shoot, at this rate I might just go ahead and buy a 5600 for it. Still keeping my eyes peeled for a 1200, 1600, 2600, or 3300 for him, but not really holding my breath on it. Gotta wait till Office Depot decides if they're taking my money or not for the CPU I ordered a month and a half ago.

I had similar luck bro. Sucks. Bought a 2200g off ebay because there was no lower tier parts in stock anywhere. Finally took swapping my 3600 into the board to find out the rig's fine, was just the CPU causing the idle lock ups and random BSOD's. Guess we're looking for the same thing lol. Good luck in your search. And yes, you should have no problems with the return, regardless of what the seller says. If it was sold as functioning it needs to be functioning, otherwise ebay will force the return anyway since you ticked a box saying its defective (hopefully) when filing the return.

Awwww, so I'd be out of the running if I got a 939 Athlon x2 huh? I'll have to see if I can scrounge up a decent 775 board while I'm searching then too. I have a couple z68's, guess it wouldn't hurt anything to pick up a p35 or p45 board to have on hand.

Yes indeed. Or in the case of Sandy Bridge setups as previously suggested to me, finding working CPU's that haven't degraded themselves to death from overvoltage torture. Not just my tortured examples either, I'm sure any K model sku at this point (from these ages) are probably degraded to some point by now. But yes, mobos on the really old stuff is going to be hard. Shoot, Socket 939 and Socket A boards are like $100+ still for good ones on ebay, when they're available it looks like. They're in the correct order for me. Edit: Oh, the rig numbers. Got it. Derp. I'm still learning the layout of EHW some lol.

Hmmm, I'll have to watch this one....... Depending on the generation of "retro", I might be interested in doing some hardware torture. You know, for the ummmmm, "sake" of performance. Yes. Not copyright infringing.

I feel like you're up to no good........ Hehe, welcome. I'm glad to be seeing so many familiar names on here, good or bad.

I don't dare open up the ugly side on my rigs. I have to literally sit on them to close the dang doors. I'm actually amazed at how clean your ugly sides are though, wow. I just let things dangle back there. Pretty neat topic, subbed for more pics lol.

Your Pentium 2 was the same thing though. Still Socket 7, could've just plopped a K6 right into your old board for the P2.

Dude....I used to literally take ewaste by the truck load. I threw away SOOOOOO many Pentium 2's and K6 AMD's. -_- Now I want one again. I think I'm broken lol.

I have my old 2600k and 3770k still and z68 boards for them. AMD parts TEND TO last longer with modern stuff though. You're right, Intel CPU's (when Intel was better) would obviously perform better. I never got to try a Phenom 9850 though. Or a Thuban. The FX I had really wasn't THAT bad, it played games just as well as my 3770k did, and FX parts are cheaper to find used. I don't want to spend new build money on old crap. ? Obviously on the flip side I could be going for Intel / GeForce builds, or literally search and hunt for the "best" at the times. But meh, this keeps things easier for my hunt since I still remember the AMD parts that were good at the time. EDIT: Also updated OP and put first build into its appropriate reserved spot. Will run benches on command on any of the rigs as I get them going too. Bare with me though, these rigs aren't exactly fast. Plus, I gotta wait for parts to arrive before I bother installing more crap. Right now, I only have the Phenom rig going, but more is coming. This is absolutely a project I intend to finish. I'm really curious to see what its like using a K6-2, Athlon XP, etc, in 2021.

My first CPU ever was a K6-2 233 overclocked to 550MHz via jumpers, paired with a variety of cards, but mostly I used a Radeon 7000 / Radeon 9000 on it. Had GF2 and GF4 cards too, but I think I had those later. I mean I had computers before that too, but they weren't anything I tweaked hardware on, I was too young still. First rig ever was an Apple II with a green 14" CRT. Played Oregon Trail great! For now I'm kinda just keeping my eyes peeled on ebay. I don't have an e-waste place nearby, closest place is Portland and that's a good 6 hour drive from here. I might make a drive this summer if the powers that be decide to open things up a little more.

I made a thread last night in the AMD general section about my builds, but..... AMD K6 / Radeon 7000 era GPU AMD K7 (Barton probably) / Radeon 9800 or whatever high end AGP AMD K8 (939 Opteron) / Radeon 2900 ish (8800GTX performance) Phenom Quad / HD4890 (I have this one) Thuban x6 / HD7970 or 290x FX 8 core / RX 580 or Vega (I have a couple RX 580's) I'm wanting to not only experience computing as it was like back in those generations, but I ALSO want to see what all I can force older junk to run. I'm daily using this Phenom quad / HD4890 right now with Win7 on it. Mostly for fun, maybe for lols. Probably will post benchmarks and junk. I dunno, just giving myself something cheap to do lol.

With a quad core Phenom and HD4890 1GB? Oh yeah, it should max Crysis at 30 FPS lol. Just like the old days! We'll see, I'm still playing with it waiting for the rest of the junk to arrive. Ordered SSD, more RAM, the quad core (on a tri atm) for it last night. It's honestly unusably slow at the moment due to the drive in it. How did we EVER use Vista on a hard drive back in the day? Honestly? I figure I have junk, might as well make the junk work. Then I got to thinking, I might as well add even more junk to my junk pile, so I have a giant junkpile of usable junk instead of just junk in boxes. Makes sense? New stuff is boring. There's no messing with it physically. There's no overclocking. That's boring. I want to overclock by jumpers again! I have 3 modern rigs in the house.

Benchmark and Game Results: A few rigs have been ran, but over the next few days / weeks I'll update again with a consistent set of benchmarks and games I'll at least ATTEMPT to run on every single rig here. Obviously some games won't be ran on some rigs. Just for giggles, and for the sake of comparison between eras. I'll be using highest possible "playable" or "watchable" settings, which would be 23 FPS on benchmarks (unless a "standard" run is used) and 30 FPS (minimums hopefully) in games. This is mostly being done to see if old rigs even CAN still play games. Also, its fun to see what "upgrades" really do for you as far as visual quality on settings you'd normally play with. Benchmark: K6 K7 AthlonXP R Toledo G Toledo Phenom Thuban Piledriver 2600 3600 AIDA64 Memory 3DMark 03 3DMark 06 3DMark Vantage 3DMark 11 Unigine Heaven Unigine Valley Unigine Superposition Cinebench Games: BeamNG.drive Call of Duty 4 Car Mechanic Sim 2018 Crysis Crysis Remastered Cyberpunk 2077 DiRT 3 DiRT 4 Doom Doom (2016) Elder Scrolls Online GTA San Andreas GTA IV GTA V GRID GRID 2 Half Life 2 Killing Floor Killing Floor 2 Mafia Mafia Definitive Edition Metro 2033 Metro Exodus Metro Last Light Minecraft Java v1.12.2 Pack Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered Need For Speed III Hot Pursuit Quake The Witcher The Witcher 3

Let me introduce you folks to some blasts from the past! My goals here are pretty simple. I'm curious to see what old, older, and ANCIENT parts can still do today in 2021. I also miss having old junk, I don't really know why..... ? I got to thinking since I have an old Apevia X-Plorer case sitting here (green), and I have an old Dell beigebox sitting here....I kinda want to see those function again as they were intended to. So after I'm done torturing them with modern gaming / browsing (best I can pull off), they'll be retired to their appropriate OS with appropriate gaming titles installed, so I can plug them in and enjoy them anytime I want to. Eventually, when I get a house instead of an apartment, I'll set them all up in my office room or shop / garage. For now, I can drag them out one at a time, why not? But then I got to thinking, why stop there? Why not just build the ultimate machines from those eras? Why stop at those 2 eras? Why not build one great rig from every gen? That got me thinking. Which parts though? Decided to go all AMD / ATI because its easier and because I ran them a lot. Yes, I ran Intel and GeForce too. I even have a G92 sitting here that was my first "high end brand new" GPU I ever bought (literally my first one, still have the newegg receipt too). So here's the goals on specs: K6-2 era / Radeon 7500 ish GPU / SD Card / Windows 95 Athlon Thunderbird / Radeon 9800XT / SD Card / Windows 98SE Athlon XP / Radeon X1950XT / SD Card / Windows 2k or XP x86 Socket 939 Toledo / HD5870 / SSD / Windows XP x64 Socket 939 Toledo / SLI G92 8800GTS 512's / SSD / Whatever OS I can plug on it (because I accidentally have 2 939's) Phenom I 9850 / AMD HD6970 / SSD / Windows Vista Phenom II 1100T / HD7970 / SSD / Windows 7 FX 8350 / R9 290x / SSD / Windows 8.1 Ryzen 2600 / 5700XT / NVME / Windows 10 Ryzen 5800x / 6900XT / NVME / Windows 10 (maybe I'll try 11?) Links to the finished builds (or *in progress): 1. *K5-5laser (Athlon K5 / Radoen 7500) 2. ChomperXT (Athlon K6-2 600 / Radeon 8500 (9200 same thing)) 3. ThunderbirdXT (Athlon T-Bird 1100 / Radeon 9800XT (pro)) 4. TerminatorXP (AthlonXP 3200+ / Radeon X850 Pro) 5. *RedToledo (Opteron 180 / HD5870) (Mobo needs caps) 6. GreenToledo (Opteron 180 / GTX 480) 7. Toledo main (Opteron 180 / HD4890) 8. Phenomenon (Phenom 9850 / HD6970) 9. PIITA (Phenom II 1100T / HD7970) 10. Bulldrowser (FX 8350 / R9 290X) 11. FuryRyzen (Ryzen 1400 / FuryX) 12. Bratman (Ryzen 2600 / Vega 64) 13. AMDerp (Ryzen 3600 / 5700XT) 14. AMDumb (Ryzen 5800x / 6900XT) 15. HAFLyfe (7900x / 7900XTX) Builds are now updated above to reflect what's done. Only 2 builds are marked with *, to indicate I'm still working on. Any that are NOT marked, are now complete. I will be working on pictures soon.

I ironically, for once, didn't have any crashes. But, most of my rigs are stock ish anyway, I mean I guess PBO with IF / Memory overclock could be argued as not stock. That EK AIO looks neat, and considering my current build plans it'll definitely be finding a use so . Still folding when not gaming, gotta help build the team back up. That was a lot of fun, hopefully next round I'll have another Ryzen / RX580 rig setup to join too if my CPU ever ships.

It's over already? Screw it, I want a top 10 spot for my own bragging rights. ? Still folding, come at me bro. @BWG @ENTERPRISE @axipher Seriously though guys, that was a lot of fun. Wish I'd have not taken time off for gaming during the competition that one day . Also woulda been nice had I not been lazy and gotten everything functional beforehand. But ah well. When's the next one?

I'm coming for them top spots guys...... with my arsenal of e-waste garbage, I'm coming!

I remember doing this with an old Corsair H50 back in the day, even went so far as to change rads and add in a resevior too. Looks like you kept yours mostly stock. Looks good man!