Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[ENTERPRISE]

  On 12/10/2023 at 13:48, richardmeppelin said:

After a while of testing i discovered that at this time its pointless. 

 

no matter what i change or set higher for the ram its simply not working. Crashes, lockups etc. etc. Windows corruption, i am done for now. 

 

I wait until there is new BIOS cos this one is really bad, send feedback to Gigabyte already so hopefully they fix it cos this is not doable at this stage. 

 

Its expo settings for me from now on and if the new BIOS arrives i might try again but i don't think so as it cost me too much time which i can use better on productive things than pissing in the wind on this platform lmao. 

 

Thnx anyway for the help guys, much obliged! 

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Sometimes no harm in waiting for BIOS/AGESA to mature before going at it again

 

On another note chaps, looks like MSI are going to implement GDM after my discussions with them. However they are asking about a screenshot of where in the BIOS you would enable "Round Trip Latency", could someone do me a favour and screenshot their BIOS page with this and pop it in here ? I can then go back to them on this as well and see what they say. 

 

Still beyond me that consumers are having to tackle a vendor about basic settings.

[J7SC_Orion]

...almost finished with 'operation integrate' of the Aorus 670E Master / 7950X3D into my dual-mobo 'daily' setup. This was very tricky as this X670E board is the wider e-ATX format which replaced a regular ATX mobo that used to reside there (talk about tight quarters!  ).

 

The insert pics show
a.) the Arctic P12 pst right above the DDR5, and
b.) the bank of three 480 x 64 triple copper core rads (push-pull fans, three D5s) that cool the 670E/7950X3D combo. The system on the lower right (X570 Dark.H./ 5950X) has a similar but slightly smaller-capacity loop (three 360x63 rads, two D5s).

 

[kaliz]

[J7SC_Orion]

  On 12/10/2023 at 17:16, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Sometimes no harm in waiting for BIOS/AGESA to mature before going at it again

 

On another note chaps, looks like MSI are going to implement GDM after my discussions with them. However they are asking about a screenshot of where in the BIOS you would enable "Round Trip Latency", could someone do me a favour and screenshot their BIOS page with this and pop it in here ? I can then go back to them on this as well and see what they say. 

 

Still beyond me that consumers are having to tackle a vendor about basic settings.

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  On 13/10/2023 at 12:46, kaliz said:

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...I am rushing between two work projects (re. pics et al, camera is 30 stories below), but the Aorus 670E, there are often several different ways to get to parameters such as round trip latency.

I start though with PowerDown, GearDown and Memory Context Restore:
Bios/advanced/tweaker/advanced memory settings

 

DDR Training Options:

Bios/advanced/Settings/UMC Common/DDR Options/DDR Training Options

 

Round trip latency (doing this from my memory)

Bios/Advanced/settings/AMD CBS/UMC Common Options//DDR options/DDR Timing Configuration 

Edited October 13, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[ENTERPRISE]

  On 13/10/2023 at 12:46, kaliz said:

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Awesome thanks What motherboard was that on again ?

  On 13/10/2023 at 16:43, J7SC_Orion said:

 

 

...I am rushing between two work projects (re. pics et al, camera is 30 stories below), but the Aorus 670E, there are often several different ways to get to parameters such as round trip latency.

I start though with PowerDown, GearDown and Memory Context Restore:
Bios/advanced/tweaker/advanced memory settings

 

DDR Training Options:

Bios/advanced/Settings/UMC Common/DDR Options/DDR Training Options

 

Round trip latency (doing this from my memory)

Bios/Advanced/settings/AMD CBS/UMC Common Options//DDR options/DDR Timing Configuration 

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I will try and see if those areas shed any light, though I think I have been through them but it is possible I missed it. 

 

On another note while I did get 6400MT/s stable, I thought just for a laugh, I would try my hand at 6600 MT/s again using the same timings as on my 6400 OC. With a little bit of additional voltage I was able to get 6600 through 4 Hours of GSAT and 11000% of Karhu before it gave me an error. So I am upping the VDDQ to 1.42 and DRAM Voltage to 1.57 with a SOC of 1.255 to see if it gets me stable.

 

My 6400 OC - VDDQ 1.35,  VDD 1.55, SOC 1.25

 

 

My attempt at 6600 OC -VDDQ 1.42,  VDD 1.57, SOC 1.255

 

 

Not a stellar difference in throughput on the speeds mind you.

[kaliz]

that was on a random Z690 MSI mobo, on AMD its also buried deep in settings! I will make a pic when i restart my PC!

[The Pook]

  On 13/10/2023 at 17:29, ENTERPRISE said:

 

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double click the empty boxes so you don't have to run the cache benchmarks every time 

[kaliz]

make sure your mobo and CPU have the latest chipset drivers and agesa it really helps to get things 'more stable' 

[neurotix]

Hey E, if you haven't already, set tREFI to 65535.

 

On Asus boards, doing so gives like a MASSIVE bandwidth improvement, like 10GB/sec more than if you don't set it that way.

 

I know you don't have an Asus board but it might be worth trying it to get your Read and Write bandwidth above 90GB/sec.

 

Hope this helps and it works...

[ENTERPRISE]

  On 13/10/2023 at 19:25, kaliz said:

make sure your mobo and CPU have the latest chipset drivers and agesa it really helps to get things 'more stable' 

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Yeah I do

  On 13/10/2023 at 20:22, neurotix said:

Hey E, if you haven't already, set tREFI to 65535.

 

On Asus boards, doing so gives like a MASSIVE bandwidth improvement, like 10GB/sec more than if you don't set it that way.

 

I know you don't have an Asus board but it might be worth trying it to get your Read and Write bandwidth above 90GB/sec.

 

Hope this helps and it works...

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Yep already set to that thanks bud.

[neurotix]

  On 13/10/2023 at 20:48, ENTERPRISE said:

Yeah I do

Yep already set to that thanks bud.

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Unfortunate it doesn't give you a big bandwidth increase.

[kaliz]

you can also manually set TSME disabled (if you can find it, and for huge bandwidth increase you always want to have the optimal CPU curve optimizer , or at least close to optimal for max CPU boost in the test. or for non X3D set manula CPU OC!! I was trying for max clock on my 7800X3D and got DDR5-8580 just now with 110 bclk and 7800 strap! 

[kaliz]

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kaliz`s Memory Frequency score: 4320 MHz with a DDR5 SDRAM

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The DDR5 SDRAM @ 4320MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Memory Frequency benchmark. kalizranks #96 worldwide and #96 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

 

lol even the 8000 strap works for over 8600 wth!

[ENTERPRISE]

  On 13/10/2023 at 21:32, kaliz said:

you can also manually set TSME disabled (if you can find it, and for huge bandwidth increase you always want to have the optimal CPU curve optimizer , or at least close to optimal for max CPU boost in the test. or for non X3D set manula CPU OC!! I was trying for max clock on my 7800X3D and got DDR5-8580 just now with 110 bclk and 7800 strap! 

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Yeah disabled TSME a while ago on your advice I think

 

Once I have locked in my RAM OC I will come back here to optimise my CPU with Curve Optimizer for sure

 

[J7SC_Orion]

  On 13/10/2023 at 22:46, kaliz said:

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kaliz`s Memory Frequency score: 4320 MHz with a DDR5 SDRAM

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The DDR5 SDRAM @ 4320MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Memory Frequency benchmark. kalizranks #96 worldwide and #96 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

 

lol even the 8000 strap works for over 8600 wth!

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Great stuff !  

Also, what max memory voltages for short runs are still considered 'safe' in a well-cooled system  ? My bench focus typically is 3D GPU. Tx

 

[Hurricane28]

  On 13/10/2023 at 21:32, kaliz said:

you can also manually set TSME disabled (if you can find it, and for huge bandwidth increase you always want to have the optimal CPU curve optimizer , or at least close to optimal for max CPU boost in the test. or for non X3D set manula CPU OC!! I was trying for max clock on my 7800X3D and got DDR5-8580 just now with 110 bclk and 7800 strap! 

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Wth? How stable is it? I know some Intels can't even boot at 7600MHz. 

 

I can boot at 6400MHz at stock timings but i wait for new AGESA to REALLY tweak the kit as of now its not worth it and the Gigabios they provided for my board is utterly erratic. 

 

Anyway, for 24/7 usage i think tight 6000MHz to 6400MHz is the way to go as far as i seen and is doable for most systems. 

 

Can you share your 8580 settings? Im curious. 

[kaliz]

its surprizingly 'stable' i can open benchmate and do all kinds of benchmarks with over DDR5-8400. I wouldnt dare to run a stresstest becasuse i just upped the voltages to extreme level. I did try a normal voltage and tighter timings a few times and that also works just fine, but then again its only in benchmarks and not a stresstest. I could go browsing with 110 bclk and 8560 and upload a score to hwbot, pretty amazing

[Hurricane28]

  On 14/10/2023 at 11:16, kaliz said:

its surprizingly 'stable' i can open benchmate and do all kinds of benchmarks with over DDR5-8400. I wouldnt dare to run a stresstest becasuse i just upped the voltages to extreme level. I did try a normal voltage and tighter timings a few times and that also works just fine, but then again its only in benchmarks and not a stresstest. I could go browsing with 110 bclk and 8560 and upload a score to hwbot, pretty amazing

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That is amazing man. 

 

I am curious what specs you are running, mind posting some screen shots of that? 

[kaliz]

scroll a bit through my hwbot page and you see the specs on the screenshots, it can do 8200 C32-43-40-32-72 with 1.7v around that, havent tried much more yeah a 8360C34-46-46 really  should try more and tigten up with high clock. 

[J7SC_Orion]

  On 14/10/2023 at 12:22, kaliz said:

scroll a bit through my hwbot page and you see the specs on the screenshots, it can do 8200 C32-43-40-32-72 with 1.7v around that, havent tried much more yeah a 8360C34-46-46 really  should try more and tigten up with high clock. 

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1.7 V is a bit too scary for my non-bencher setup; the 7600 kit currently runs at 1.425 V for 8000 and stock timings (CL36). I am going to try up to 1.55 V for short runs. I am also going to keep an eye out for a good DDR5 water-cooling block.

[J7SC_Orion]

....double-post, but...I managed to hit DDR 8200 at stock primary timings w/o much pain ; just upped DDR voltage to 1.5 V from my daily 8000 settings at 1.425+-. Browsing around and loading up various programs wasn't a problem at 8200, though I save benchies for later; and I certainly don't think that it is fully stable w/o some other adjustments - still, this US$ 200 2 x24 GB 7600 CL36 kit keeps on giving. It can range from CL 30 6400 (1.40 V DDR) to CL 36 8200 (1.5 V) and > ?

 

[ENTERPRISE]

Well this is my 6400MT/s & 6600MT/s OC 

 

Curiously the 6600 OC has a worse Pi Score. So Even though it passed 4 Hours of GSAT and 15000% of Karhu I can only assume an instability or other factor causing it to be worse

 

 

[The Pook]

tRDRDSD/tRDRDDD is tighter on your 6600 than 6400? 

 

Does DDR5's pseudo ECC report/fix errors like "real" ECC? Check Event Viewer. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by The Pook
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[ENTERPRISE]

  On 14/10/2023 at 17:30, The Pook said:

tRDRDSD/tRDRDDD is tighter on your 6600 than 6400? 

 

Does DDR5's pseudo ECC report/fix errors like "real" ECC? Check Event Viewer. 

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Those timing values are currently set to Auto, that is likely why the variance between the two ZenTimings for 6600 & 6400.  But fair point, I may set that to 11 for the 6600 profile as 10 may be too tight.

 

I have looked in event viewer, I have not noted and errors relating to memory correction or WHEA errors.

[The Pook]

  On 14/10/2023 at 17:41, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Those timing values are currently set to Auto, that is likely why the variance between the two ZenTimings for 6600 & 6400. 

 

I have looked in event viewer, I have not noted and errors relating to memory correction or WHEA errors.

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DDR5's "ECC" is on-die so it might just be fixing it and not reporting it to Windows. 

 

CMD/Terminal -> wmic memphysical get memoryerrorcorrection

 

If it returns 0, 1, 2, or 3 then Event Viewer wouldn't be able to tell you about corrected errors. if it's correcting errors in the background it'd make sense that it's passing stability tests and performing worse in benchmarks though.