the verge What to expect from Apple’s iPhone 15 event

[Andrew]

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The iPhone 15 event will take place on September 12th, 2023, at 1PM ET / 10AM PT. As shown in the invite sent out by Apple, the company has named the event “Wonderlust.” It will take place live from Apple Park in Cupertino, California.

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One of the biggest changes coming to this year’s iPhone lineup is the addition of USB-C

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This time around, the most significant changes coming to the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max are reported to be a titanium frame, thinner bezels, and a potentially more expensive price.

 

Apple’s September iPhone event: how to watch and what to expect - The Verge

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The iPhone might not be the only device due for a refresh.

 

It's always interesting to see what new and innovative features Samsung are going to put on their phones in 8 months time

 

There should also be some news on iOS/iPadOS 17 as well as macOS Sonoma, possibly a new iPad, and maybe the M3 announcement for their computers.

[UltraMega]

2 hours ago, Andrew said:

Apple’s September iPhone event: how to watch and what to expect - The Verge

WWW.THEVERGE.COM

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The iPhone might not be the only device due for a refresh.

 

It's always interesting to see what new and innovative features Samsung are going to put on their phones in 8 months time

You mean like a microSD port? Or NFC? 

 

Apple was first to remove the headphone jack tho, so credit where credit is due. 

 

IMO apple doesn't innovate at all anymore. They just take existing tech and refine it a little, then charge more than anyone else does. Any tech company could do what Apple does, but only Apple has successfully turned a hardware brand into a glorified status symbol for flossy people. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by UltraMega

[bwalker36]

I would be tempted to try android again except everyone I talk to has apple and I don't want green bubbles lol.  To me its really a habbit thing, it works, I don't really do anyting but text and browse the web.  Its also why I stopped getting phones every upgrade.  I want until I pay it off and then get a new one.  

[Sir Beregond]

On 30/08/2023 at 07:14, UltraMega said:

You mean like a microSD port? Or NFC? 

 

Apple was first to remove the headphone jack tho, so credit where credit is due. 

 

IMO apple doesn't innovate at all anymore. They just take existing tech and refine it a little, then charge more than anyone else does. Any tech company could do what Apple does, but only Apple has successfully turned a hardware brand into a glorified status symbol for flossy people. 

Actually I believe Motorola was the first. But Apple made it popular and set the trend in the industry.

 

Anyway, I agree. I am not overly impressed by annual phone releases by either side. "Innovation" - yeah right.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[Snakecharmed]

On 30/08/2023 at 09:14, UltraMega said:

You mean like a microSD port? Or NFC? 

 

Apple was first to remove the headphone jack tho, so credit where credit is due. 

 

IMO apple doesn't innovate at all anymore. They just take existing tech and refine it a little, then charge more than anyone else does. Any tech company could do what Apple does, but only Apple has successfully turned a hardware brand into a glorified status symbol for flossy people. 

 

As someone in the user experience field but who is also extremely technical, I deal with these conflicting interests on a personal level regularly. My solution is to be familiar with Apple's software ecosystem out of necessity, but otherwise only own their most valuable product and nothing else: their stock.

 

Apple doesn't focus on cutting-edge hardware. Their focus has always been more oriented toward user experience. There are parts that I agree with and parts that I don't, but it largely appears to revolve around reducing the cognitive burden and technical jargon from the hardware that they want people to incorporate into their daily lives. A large part of it is obviously for their own profits, but there is also an effort to demystify technology because your average user doesn't care about the details.

 

Most people just want a product to work because they're not going to spend the time to configure something. The most configuration that a lot of people can handle is setting the darkness of their toasted bread. If that means taking away their ability to choose, so be it. There aren't enough people in the population who care versus those that just want to get on with their daily lives.

 

In reference to the OP, Samsung is a copycat F-boi. I have never owned a Galaxy phone and I don't intend to, especially now. If it wasn't for them trying to copy Apple at every turn one release after lambasting them in ads, we might still have a number of features available on flagship Android phones.

 

 

 

Needless to say, screw Samsung and their spineless hypocrisy.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Snakecharmed

[UltraMega]

I have nothing against Apple. They make decent products for people who are less familiar with tech and have spare money to burn. I just think it's silly to give them any praise on a tech site. They're like the Gucci of phones. Expensive status symbol that works as well as any other device. 

 

It does seem silly from my perspective that anyone who is into tech would use Apple today. I have a 512GB microSD card in my phone and a bunch of emulators and games on my ~$200 phone (LG Velvet 5G). Those things seem pretty basic to me, but impossible on an iPhone. It's one thing if it's just a phone and little more to the user, but I have a hard time understanding how anyone into tech doesn't see through the smoke and mirrors. 

 

More than anything else, Apple sells storage at a huge premium. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by UltraMega

[Snakecharmed]

The idea of what it means to "be into tech" is entirely subjective. There are Apple cultists (not the regular users) who would claim to be into tech but they never venture outside of MacRumors.

 

I've mentioned before that I had a former coworker who was "into tech" and a huge HP and Samsung superfan, but wasn't bright enough to realize that the one time it makes complete sense to choose Samsung over HP when they have any competing products (SSDs), he completely screwed the pooch. This was in the SATA 2.5" SSD heyday when Samsung 8x0 Pro SSDs had no equal.

 

Everyone has blind spots. Not everyone will own up to them.

 

Back to the topic, aside from being better than the soft/paper launches that other companies do, these Apple product release announcements are almost always fluff. The only reason I'm even aware of this one is the big deal about the iPhone moving from Lightning to USB-C because it's been discussed everywhere. Thank EU.

[UltraMega]

3 minutes ago, Snakecharmed said:

The idea of what it means to "be into tech" is entirely subjective. There are Apple cultists (not the regular users) who would claim to be into tech but they never venture outside of MacRumors.

 

I've mentioned before that I had a former coworker who was "into tech" and a huge HP and Samsung superfan, but wasn't bright enough to realize that the one time it makes complete sense to choose Samsung over HP when they have any competing products (SSDs), he completely screwed the pooch. This was in the SATA 2.5" SSD heyday when Samsung 8x0 Pro SSDs had no equal.

 

Everyone has blind spots. Not everyone will own up to them.

 

Back to the topic, aside from being better than the soft/paper launches that other companies do, these Apple product release announcements are almost always fluff. The only reason I'm even aware of this one is the big deal about the iPhone moving from Lightning to USB-C because it's been discussed everywhere. Thank EU.

I guess when I say "into tech", I mean like the way people on sites like this are. People who have a decent understanding of the hardware to the point that they are able to judge the raw specs for themselves. Apple cultists don't fall into that category generally speaking since they don't have a technical understanding, just a strong preference. 

[Andrew]

11 hours ago, Snakecharmed said:

The idea of what it means to "be into tech" is entirely subjective. There are Apple cultists (not the regular users) who would claim to be into tech but they never venture outside of MacRumors.

 

I've mentioned before that I had a former coworker who was "into tech" and a huge HP and Samsung superfan, but wasn't bright enough to realize that the one time it makes complete sense to choose Samsung over HP when they have any competing products (SSDs), he completely screwed the pooch. This was in the SATA 2.5" SSD heyday when Samsung 8x0 Pro SSDs had no equal.

 

Everyone has blind spots. Not everyone will own up to them.

 

Back to the topic, aside from being better than the soft/paper launches that other companies do, these Apple product release announcements are almost always fluff. The only reason I'm even aware of this one is the big deal about the iPhone moving from Lightning to USB-C because it's been discussed everywhere. Thank EU.

Rumours are USB-C is only going to be available in the EU. On the one hand, I can see Apple doing this. See: mmWave 5G only being available in the US and I believe Canada. But also, it seems like a waste of money to not making all of them USB-C, like they did with the iPad Pro. We'll find out soon enough anyway.

[rares495]

I was on Android for 9 years from 2011 to 2020, when I got my first iPhone. Android is cool when you're like 15 years old and you're flashing a custom ROM or Kernel every week and you're adding custom icon packs and sh 1 t. As you mature a bit, your tinkering patience goes way down and you realize that you just want your tech to work. This is especially true if you're working in IT and you have to do lots of troubleshooting for other people. You just get tired of tinkering. That's where Apple comes in. No matter the situation, my iPhone just works. There is no lag or jankyness (lag is exactly what made me switch from the OnePlus 6T btw). The iPhone may not do everything a flagship Android phone does, but that's fine with me. This is coming from someone who has spent time tuning their RAM btw. It's about peace of mind, not about me being knowledgeable or not. My priorities have changed. I'd rather spend my time tinkering with my computer than my phone. Or better yet, play games or go out and not tinker at all. Wouldn't it be great if technology just worked? Imagine that!

 

Apple understands that technology should not be an inconvenience. What I love most of all is the fact that you only have one choice: the iPhone, not 500 options like on Android. I can't be bothered to deal with that and I shouldn't have to. That's what the future should be like: You have a 'phone', you play games on your 'computer' and everything just works. No brand, no choice, everyone is using the same devices, everyone is connected in the same way. Devices adapt to each individual's needs, as they should, not the other way around. You need a new phone? No problem, just walk into the store and say "I'd like to buy a phone". Then they sell you the same phone everyone else on the planet has. Simple, not like the rubbish we deal with today. That's what an advanced civilization would do and Apple is the closest to achieving that. People are more divided than they've ever been and it's holding us back. Instead of using technology to enhance our lives and connect with people, we're arguing why our devices are better than the other person's.

Edited September 3, 2023 by rares495

[UltraMega]

5 hours ago, rares495 said:

I was on Android for 9 years from 2011 to 2020, when I got my first iPhone. Android is cool when you're like 15 years old and you're flashing a custom ROM or Kernel every week and you're adding custom icon packs and sh 1 t. As you mature a bit, your tinkering patience goes way down and you realize that you just want your tech to work. This is especially true if you're working in IT and you have to do lots of troubleshooting for other people. You just get tired of tinkering. That's where Apple comes in. No matter the situation, my iPhone just works. There is no lag or jankyness (lag is exactly what made me switch from the OnePlus 6T btw). The iPhone may not do everything a flagship Android phone does, but that's fine with me. This is coming from someone who has spent time tuning their RAM btw. It's about peace of mind, not about me being knowledgeable or not. My priorities have changed. I'd rather spend my time tinkering with my computer than my phone. Or better yet, play games or go out and not tinker at all. Wouldn't it be great if technology just worked? Imagine that!

 

Apple understands that technology should not be an inconvenience. What I love most of all is the fact that you only have one choice: the iPhone, not 500 options like on Android. I can't be bothered to deal with that and I shouldn't have to. That's what the future should be like: You have a 'phone', you play games on your 'computer' and everything just works. No brand, no choice, everyone is using the same devices, everyone is connected in the same way. Devices adapt to each individual's needs, as they should, not the other way around. You need a new phone? No problem, just walk into the store and say "I'd like to buy a phone". Then they sell you the same phone everyone else on the planet has. Simple, not like the rubbish we deal with today. That's what an advanced civilization would do and Apple is the closest to achieving that. People are more divided than they've ever been and it's holding us back. Instead of using technology to enhance our lives and connect with people, we're arguing why our devices are better than the other person's.

I don't have any of the problems you describe with my android phone at all. 

 

Maybe don't buy a One Plus android phone in the future. 

 

"as you mature" get out of here with that BS. 

 

You're also completely ignoring the biggest factor with Apple, which is the price. You are right that its a simple choice when you buy an iPhone, all the options are equally over priced and underfeatured. 

 

As I've matured, I've gotten less likely to waste money which is why I don't buy any Apple products. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by UltraMega

[Andrew]

I actually just had a look at the phones available from my network provider. I sorted with price being the highest first. These are the top 20:

1. Google - £1749
2. Samsung - £1749
3. Samsung - £1479
4. Sony - £1299
5. Samsung - £1209
6. Apple - £1169
7. Samsung - £1049
8. Apple - £1019
9. Samsung - £929
10. Google - £849
11. Apple - £829
12. Motorola - £799
13. Samsung - £789
14. Apple - £759
15. Apple - £729
16. Apple - £689
17. Google - £599
18. Apple - £584
19. Samsung - £449
20. Apple - £449

Beyond that, they're all pretty much the same price until you get to the 8 year old Windows Phone Nokias.

 

The top two Android phones are tied at £580 more expensive than the most expensive iPhone and the iPhone doesn't even make it in the top 5 most expensive phones available. The only feature those two have that the iPhones don't have is they can fold, not sure why anyone would want that anyway. Those folding screens are made of plastic and scratch incredibly easily. The £1479 Samsung doesn't fold and doesn't do anything that the £1169 iPhone can't but despite that, it's £310 more expensive.

[UltraMega]

45 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I actually just had a look at the phones available from my network provider. I sorted with price being the highest first. These are the top 20:

1. Google - £1749
2. Samsung - £1749
3. Samsung - £1479
4. Sony - £1299
5. Samsung - £1209
6. Apple - £1169
7. Samsung - £1049
8. Apple - £1019
9. Samsung - £929
10. Google - £849
11. Apple - £829
12. Motorola - £799
13. Samsung - £789
14. Apple - £759
15. Apple - £729
16. Apple - £689
17. Google - £599
18. Apple - £584
19. Samsung - £449
20. Apple - £449

Beyond that, they're all pretty much the same price until you get to the 8 year old Windows Phone Nokias.

 

The top two Android phones are tied at £580 more expensive than the most expensive iPhone and the iPhone doesn't even make it in the top 5 most expensive phones available. The only feature those two have that the iPhones don't have is they can fold, not sure why anyone would want that anyway. Those folding screens are made of plastic and scratch incredibly easily. The £1479 Samsung doesn't fold and doesn't do anything that the £1169 iPhone can't but despite that, it's £310 more expensive.

 

My phone is $200. I've never spent as much as any of the phones listed, and probably never will. There is no reason to spend more. 

 

Apple isn't the only maker of expensive phones, just the only one that only makes expensive phones. I wouldn't hold Samsung in high regard either. 

 

I'm not trying to get into an android vs apple debate tho, but I'll add that IMO, a reasonable price for a phone is $150-$300. I think anyone here would be hard pressed to list anything a more expensive phone can do beyond just hitting higher benchmark scores that actually justifies spending more. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by UltraMega

[pio]

My phone was $80, Google Pixel 4XL.  Is it the newest phone?  No.  Does it make phone calls?  Yes.  All this talking of "maturing".....

 

iPhone = Android as far as ease of use.  Period.  You can grab a cheap or expensive Android, turn it on, install apps.  It's that easy.  Just like the iPhone.  You don't HAVE to customize your icons, flash custom ROMs, change themes........you don't have to do all the customizable stuff.  Androids work just as easily as iPhones do out of the box.  That argument is definitely "debunked".  Androids have the ABILITY to do those things, yes (if you buy the right one).

I don't normally agree with @UltraMega very often, but yeah that's something I've noticed.  As I've personally "matured" (LOL), I've found I "waste" less money on useless stuff like what phone I'm using.  My phone makes phone calls and it runs the apps I NEED it to run.  I don't NEED the latest and greatest $1500 smart phone to run a browser and my banking app, and to make phone calls.  Seriously, I was running a dumb phone for 3 years until a few months ago......and THAT phone worked fine for me.  You want to "mature"?  Be smart with your money.  

 

Now.....buying HARDWARE I don't need on the other hand............  yeah shutup.   

[ozlay]

I was thinking about getting an iphone. Until they got rid of the mini version. Which was the only version i was interested in. I am tired of android phones getting bigger and bigger every year. Why can't anyone make a small flagship phone.

[Snakecharmed]

The only things that iPhones unequivocally do better are a result of their proprietary and/or closed ecosystems that Apple strongarms consumers into using (or get shamed by their peers into using) through raw unit sales. I'm talking about the likes of iMessage, FaceTime, and AirDrop. That's anti-consumer abuse of their market position. It's no wonder Nvidia is looking to Apple's business model as their inspiration for the GPU market.

 

I'll leave the "advanced civilization" nonsense for another day millennium because there's so much presumption and projection going on there that I wouldn't even know where to start. It's a damn phone, not nuclear fusion.

 

$325 mint condition LG V60 (2020) purchased in May 2022 here. I'd rather buy a mint condition Pioneer DEX-P99RS (just give me another year or two, because I very well might) and not come remotely close to using it to its full capabilities rather than doing the same with a brand new flagship phone.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Snakecharmed