2023 HWBOT Team Cup!

[Avacado]

12 minutes ago, TonyBombassolo said:

 

I'm going to use your post to go on a small rant.

 

The only reason I stopped participating at Hwbot, is because a few elite members who control HWBot control every aspect of the "competitions". The rules are arbitrary and capricious (such as LOD/Tess manipulation) and most of the competitions are basically the same pros almost every time at the top. There are a ton of awesome members and even some great information sharing, but trends became evident the more I participated there. HwBot gives you the ability to filter results by cooling options, but still assigns points in a raw format. If the points were assigned within the hardware limitations, it would make the competitions far more 'competitive' for people without exotic cooling, and the people at the top would still be the same people at the top. Even if you didn't do it by the hardware on the submission, do it within the leagues. The extreme league members are almost always going to beat the novice league members with the same hardware, they have better cooling, per the league requirements.

 

Most of the competition results are unattainable for 99.99% of people who buy PC hardware.  Thats not to say they arent incredible and impressive, but I felt comparing people with air cooling vs someone using LN2 on the same benchmark seems less than ideal, to me. The competitions and scoring should reflect those differences, imo. Joe Gamer who just bought a 13900KS is never going to put up the overclock that pros can put up, especially when top pros have exotic cooling and Joe Gamer has an air blower fan in a case.

 

This is why I really liked the one competition last year @Sugi0lover over on OC.net won, because it was current hardware, with some restrictions to keep a level playing field, and it made each person show different aspects of overclocking, RAM/CPU, etc. Its unfortunate they don't do that for all their competitions.

 

/rant over

I hear you, believe me. The thing is, that here we do it to have fun and bring each other closer. Is it nice to win, yes. We just love getting together and playing with old *, even if we can't beat the same people every single year. We would be happy to have you on our team if you wanted to contribute. 

[Sir Beregond]

3 hours ago, TonyBombassolo said:

 

I'm going to use your post to go on a small rant.

 

The only reason I stopped participating at Hwbot, is because a few elite members who control HWBot control every aspect of the "competitions". The rules are arbitrary and capricious (such as LOD/Tess manipulation) and most of the competitions are basically the same pros almost every time at the top. There are a ton of awesome members and even some great information sharing, but trends became evident the more I participated there. HwBot gives you the ability to filter results by cooling options, but still assigns points in a raw format. If the points were assigned within the hardware limitations, it would make the competitions far more 'competitive' for people without exotic cooling, and the people at the top would still be the same people at the top. Even if you didn't do it by the hardware on the submission, do it within the leagues. The extreme league members are almost always going to beat the novice league members with the same hardware, they have better cooling, per the league requirements.

 

Most of the competition results are unattainable for 99.99% of people who buy PC hardware.  Thats not to say they arent incredible and impressive, but I felt comparing people with air cooling vs someone using LN2 on the same benchmark seems less than ideal, to me. The competitions and scoring should reflect those differences, imo. Joe Gamer who just bought a 13900KS is never going to put up the overclock that pros can put up, especially when top pros have exotic cooling and Joe Gamer has an air blower fan in a case.

 

This is why I really liked the one competition last year @Sugi0lover over on OC.net won, because it was current hardware, with some restrictions to keep a level playing field, and it made each person show different aspects of overclocking, RAM/CPU, etc. Its unfortunate they don't do that for all their competitions.

 

/rant over

Preach it.

 

I was really excited last year as there were quite a few comps I was able to participate in with just my current hardware. This year I think there might be one? I don't have a place to store a bunch of random old hardware bougt on eBay like others do, nor does it make sense for me to spend my money there when I can be setting up a test bench.

 

I was very disappointed in this year's comps for Team Cup. There is basically nothing I can participate in with what I have on hand.

[The Pook]

6 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Preach it.

 

I was really excited last year as there were quite a few comps I was able to participate in with just my current hardware. This year I think there might be one? I don't have a place to store a bunch of random old hardware bougt on eBay like others do, nor does it make sense for me to spend my money there when I can be setting up a test bench.

 

I was very disappointed in this year's comps for Team Cup. There is basically nothing I can participate in with what I have on hand.

 

Same. Cheapaz Chips challenges are the best, I can buy a ~$30 GPU and slap it in my main rig. Otherwise I tend to be left out too 

 

[pio]

35 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Preach it.

 

I was really excited last year as there were quite a few comps I was able to participate in with just my current hardware. This year I think there might be one? I don't have a place to store a bunch of random old hardware bougt on eBay like others do, nor does it make sense for me to spend my money there when I can be setting up a test bench.

 

I was very disappointed in this year's comps for Team Cup. There is basically nothing I can participate in with what I have on hand.

From my understanding of the Team Cup though is that you don't "NEED" to hoard away hardware like some of us tend to do anyway.  The whole point is for our entire TEAM to be involved.  Run literally whatever you've got that you CAN run within their bench rules.  Even if its just one run.  If everyone on the site does just one run on stuff that we can run, we'd have every position filled.

[Bastiaan_NL]

10 hours ago, TonyBombassolo said:

 

I'm going to use your post to go on a small rant.

 

The only reason I stopped participating at Hwbot, is because a few elite members who control HWBot control every aspect of the "competitions". The rules are arbitrary and capricious (such as LOD/Tess manipulation) and most of the competitions are basically the same pros almost every time at the top. There are a ton of awesome members and even some great information sharing, but trends became evident the more I participated there. HwBot gives you the ability to filter results by cooling options, but still assigns points in a raw format. If the points were assigned within the hardware limitations, it would make the competitions far more 'competitive' for people without exotic cooling, and the people at the top would still be the same people at the top. Even if you didn't do it by the hardware on the submission, do it within the leagues. The extreme league members are almost always going to beat the novice league members with the same hardware, they have better cooling, per the league requirements.

 

Most of the competition results are unattainable for 99.99% of people who buy PC hardware.  Thats not to say they arent incredible and impressive, but I felt comparing people with air cooling vs someone using LN2 on the same benchmark seems less than ideal, to me. The competitions and scoring should reflect those differences, imo. Joe Gamer who just bought a 13900KS is never going to put up the overclock that pros can put up, especially when top pros have exotic cooling and Joe Gamer has an air blower fan in a case.

 

This is why I really liked the one competition last year @Sugi0lover over on OC.net won, because it was current hardware, with some restrictions to keep a level playing field, and it made each person show different aspects of overclocking, RAM/CPU, etc. Its unfortunate they don't do that for all their competitions.

 

/rant over

I sort of agree with you but there are also things they are trying to do to make it more fun for everyone.
For example the competitions where there are stages for ambient and sub ambient cooling (G7400 iirc).

I often feel like a noob among those elite members, but for me it's a motivation to perform better. 
Now for the team cup, the main goal is to get each stage filled with subs. Quantity over quality for this competition, even though it feels strange.

There are things I would love to see differently, but where else do you find a place to do this stuff online? HWBOT is awesome, even though it has flaws.
Please keep that in mind when going on a rant, the people who run the system try their best to make it a good place for everyone.

 

 

5 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

From my understanding of the Team Cup though is that you don't "NEED" to hoard away hardware like some of us tend to do anyway.  The whole point is for our entire TEAM to be involved.  Run literally whatever you've got that you CAN run within their bench rules.  Even if its just one run.  If everyone on the site does just one run on stuff that we can run, we'd have every position filled.

We need a lot of weird hardware and we have enough members to fill in a lot of the blanks.

Everyone here has a storage with at least some weird old hardware, with a bit of love that could be used for the team
Like I said, quantity over quality. And if someone feels like going crazy with the specific hardware they own, that's only better

[Bastiaan_NL]

On a different note, the PowerColor HD3870 and the Club3D GTX285 received their first mods.
Let's hope I don't blow them up in pretesting

 

 

 

And a weird SFF 1155 board, with some matching DDR3, a good looking GT210 and watercooling:

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Bastiaan_NL

[pio]

It's alright, I've got an SD-RAM rig running this year! 

 

 

I'm ready for the benchmarking!!! 

[Avacado]

4 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

It's alright, I've got an SD-RAM rig running this year! 

 

 

I'm ready for the benchmarking!!! 

Cheater, doing it before the comp starts. J/K, glad you got it working. Getting mine running probably wont be as hard as getting windows running. Did you get 98se working?

Edited June 27, 2023 by Avacado

[Bastiaan_NL]

4 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

It's alright, I've got an SD-RAM rig running this year! 

 

 

I'm ready for the benchmarking!!! 

Whohoo
I watched your YT video too, cool stuff
Speaking of Youtube, I should probably record some of the work to share that here
 

23 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Cheater, doing it before the comp starts. J/K, glad you got it working. Getting mine running probably wont be as hard as getting windows running. Did you get 98se working?

Ha, I tested 3 GPU's already. Better to do it now I have a little bit of time instead of when the comp is actually going and work decides to go crazy  

Edited June 27, 2023 by Bastiaan_NL

[Bastiaan_NL]

I recorded a video about the 2600XT, fun little card  

[Avacado]

@ENTERPRISE Is there anyway we can get the big countdown timer going boss? I think the dates/times are right on the event thread HERE. I did make the time in EST though.

[ENTERPRISE]

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

@ENTERPRISE Is there anyway we can get the big countdown timer going boss? I think the dates/times are right on the event thread HERE. I did make the time in EST though.

 

Sorted

[Avacado]

26 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Sorted

@ENTERPRISE I think I messed up the times? The EHW clock is running 5 Hours ahead.

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Avacado

[ENTERPRISE]

16 minutes ago, Avacado said:

@ENTERPRISE I think I messed up the times? The EHW clock is running 5 Hours ahead.

 

 

Given it an edit  

 

Looks fine to me 

 

 

It is possible depending the timezone, it will vary. Not sure to be honest.

[UltraMega]

I've got my current sig rig, a 3700X PC, and a 2500K PC. If I can add anything, point me in the right direction. 

[damric]

2 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

I've got my current sig rig, a 3700X PC, and a 2500K PC. If I can add anything, point me in the right direction. 

Should be able to run those:

 

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2023INTEL/stage/5692_3dmark11_physics_-_core_i5_sandy_bridge_-__igpu_-_ddr3

 

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2023AMD/stage/5688_geekbench6_-_multi_core_-_am4_-_ddr4

 

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2023MEM/stage/5699_y-cruncher_-_pi-2.5b_with_benchmate_-_ddr4

[Bastiaan_NL]

And another one for those interested. 

Audio is acting up a bit, OBS/mic not playing nice

[pio]

19 hours ago, Avacado said:

Cheater, doing it before the comp starts. J/K, glad you got it working. Getting mine running probably wont be as hard as getting windows running. Did you get 98se working?

I have gotten 98SE working a few times already.  On the K6 rig, no, not yet.  It's installing right now, I had some overheating problems on it last night while I was putting 98 on it.  Overheating problems aren't fixed yet, but its installing. 

I have a whole bunch of CF cards on hand now, so I have no reason not to get these older ones running for the comp.   That's what I'm using for OS drives on these.  Trust me, its waaaaaaay easier using native IDE controllers on 98...... -_-

[Avacado]

Firing up my best HW for the TC!

 

[Avacado]

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Avacado

[damric]

Yummy OCZ platinums

[Fluxmaven]

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

Firing up my best HW for the TC!

 

I like how writing everything on the whiteboard wasn't enough and that you've taken time to label everything as well... 

 

Peak OCD

 

Meanwhile I fully expect you to make fun of me when it's hours before the comp ends and I'm drunk at 2am tearing the office apart trying to find some random piece of hardware to get a sub in. 

[Avacado]

Complete for the most part. This is going to be a tough time....

 

[iamjanco]

18 hours ago, Fluxmaven said:

I like how writing everything on the whiteboard wasn't enough and that you've taken time to label everything as well... 

 

Peak OCD

 

Not quite peak, but he's getting there; he could still use this Epson label printer instead of writing everything by hand 

[Avacado]

6 minutes ago, iamjanco said:

 

Not quite peak, but he's getting there; he could still use this Epson label printer instead of writing everything by hand 

I hate you for putting that in my head...